Our Z vs New Mustang 5.0

mnms370Z · 05-08-2010, 08:51 PM

Well guys I love my car but I have to admit I am a little taken back by the new Mustang with the new 5.0 412hp engine. Anyone else having the thoughts of a trade?

m4a1mustang · 05-08-2010, 08:55 PM

There are more than enough threads on this... I suggest you look at the Mustang 5.0 thread. None of us are planning on it but a few are curious to see what its like.

PapoZalsa · 05-08-2010, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

There are more than enough threads on this... I suggest you look at the Mustang 5.0 thread. None of us are planning on it but a few are curious to see what its like.

kailua · 05-08-2010, 09:00 PM

So the question is, if Nissan drops the new 5.6 V8 into the Z would anyone buy it? Not that it will happen cause of weight distribution, getting too close to hp of the GTR, etc.

m4a1mustang · 05-08-2010, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by kailua

So the question is, if Nissan drops the new 5.6 V8 into the Z would anyone buy it? Not that it will happen cause of weight distribution, getting too close to hp of the GTR, etc.

If they did I would trade my 370 in a heartbeat. A 370Z with a nice V8 would be the perfect car, IMO.

370Zsteve · 05-08-2010, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by kailua

So the question is, if Nissan drops the new 5.6 V8 into the Z would anyone buy it? Not that it will happen cause of weight distribution, getting too close to hp of the GTR, etc.

I would buy that in a heartbeat.

Zsteve · 05-08-2010, 09:06 PM

I would think that the new one will be about as fast as the 427? SC stang.

kailua · 05-08-2010, 10:07 PM

Damn it Nissan, please put a V8 into the Z. Forget the environmentally friendly leaf crap and give us some displacement. I realized why I sold my 370Z, 1.) I am getting older and lazier so I should have bought an automatic, instead of the 6 spd and

2.) I missed the 5.7liter V8 from my Tundra single cab. I miss that truck.

Current ride: 2010 GTI, DSG w/ APR Stage1 - 254hp, 297lb-ft Tq

Been debating a GTR because I don't have to shift

but $72K for a 2010 seems pricey for a daily commuter.

kevin.z · 05-08-2010, 10:51 PM

ahh... you are complaining about not having a v8 and you now have wimpy fwd GTI. I am sorry man, you fail.

kailua · 05-08-2010, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by kevin.z

ahh... you are complaining about not having a v8 and you now have wimpy fwd GTI. I am sorry man, you fail.

Uh, Ok.

I don't know how this is a fail, considering the GTI with APR flash has more usable torque than the Z and for my daily driving needs, torque is actually more important than hp.

Plus, the whole point of a V8 over V6 is not having to redline your vehicle to extract all the hp and torque.

So wishing that Nissan would offer the new M56 V8 in a Z while I own a GTI is fail?

By your logic then, I guess anyone who owns a 370Z and longs for a GTR, R8, or 911 Turbo would be epic fail since the 370Z is a "wimpy rwd".

You remind me of fanboys who have to crap on anything that isn't a (insert your current fanboy ride).

nextbesthing · 05-09-2010, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by kailua

Uh, Ok.

I don't know how this is a fail, considering the GTI with APR flash has more usable torque than the Z and for my daily driving needs, torque is actually more important than hp.

Plus, the whole point of a V8 over V6 is not having to redline your vehicle to extract all the hp and torque.

So wishing that Nissan would offer the new M56 V8 in a Z while I own a GTI is fail?

By your logic then, I guess anyone who owns a 370Z and longs for a GTR, R8, or 911 Turbo would be epic fail since the 370Z is a "wimpy rwd".

You remind me of fanboys who have to crap on anything that isn't a (insert your current fanboy ride).

No matter how you look at it, you went from a Z to a GTI....FAIL

kailua · 05-09-2010, 02:40 AM

Yes

Dan37TZ · 05-09-2010, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by kailua

Uh, Ok.

I don't know how this is a fail, considering the GTI with APR flash has more usable torque than the Z and for my daily driving needs, torque is actually more important than hp.

Plus, the whole point of a V8 over V6 is not having to redline your vehicle to extract all the hp and torque.

So wishing that Nissan would offer the new M56 V8 in a Z while I own a GTI is fail?

By your logic then, I guess anyone who owns a 370Z and longs for a GTR, R8, or 911 Turbo would be epic fail since the 370Z is a "wimpy rwd".

You remind me of fanboys who have to crap on anything that isn't a (insert your current fanboy ride).

Horsepower IS the calculation of TORQUE at a certain RPM. So in reality, horsepower numbers is what you really want to look at, how it's delivered, and how the gearing of the car puts the power to use. Gearing and horsepower curve is what you want to look at.

Also you mention you love motors that make lots of torque down low, yet you pick a front wheel drive car. I've owned high powered FWD cars and lots of low end torque in a wrong wheel drive car is MAJOR fail, traction issues, wheel hop, torque steer, a nightmare. A low flat torque curve in a motor that loves to rev for high rpm power is the way to go for FWD cars. That's why Honda > VW all day long when it comes to FWD performance (oxymoron) oriented cars.

My modded JB3 335i makes 400+ft lbs of torque at 2500rpm. Is it fast? HELL YES. Is it fun to drive like the Z? Not even close, I think sports cars should be revved out for power. Shoving a huge V8 that makes huge amounts of torque down low and runs out of steam right when you want to rev it out into a pure sports car like the Z is retarded. If anything, a low torque, short stroke high revving small displacement V8 (like 4.0L V8 in the E90/92 M3 would be amazing for the Z) It only makes 295ft lb of torque yet it revs to 8300 and is amazing.

fullmonty · 05-09-2010, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Dan37TZ

Horsepower IS the calculation of TORQUE at a certain RPM. So in reality, horsepower numbers is what you really want to look at, how it's delivered, and how the gearing of the car puts the power to use. Gearing and horsepower curve is what you want to look at.

Also you mention you love motors that make lots of torque down low, yet you pick a front wheel drive car. I've owned high powered FWD cars and lots of low end torque in a wrong wheel drive car is MAJOR fail, traction issues, wheel hop, torque steer, a nightmare. A low flat torque curve in a motor that loves to rev for high rpm power is the way to go for FWD cars. That's why Honda > VW all day long when it comes to FWD performance (oxymoron) oriented cars.

My modded JB3 335i makes 400+ft lbs of torque at 2500rpm. Is it fast? HELL YES. Is it fun to drive like the Z? Not even close, I think sports cars should be revved out for power. Shoving a huge V8 that makes huge amounts of torque down low and runs out of steam right when you want to rev it out into a pure sports car like the Z is retarded. If anything, a low torque, short stroke high revving small displacement V8 (like 4.0L V8 in the E90/92 M3 would be amazing for the Z) It only makes 295ft lb of torque yet it revs to 8300 and is amazing.

As I started reading your post I was only gonna post 'Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races' but instead I'm going to agree with you in full

Hi-Step'n370Z · 05-09-2010, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by fullmonty

As I started reading your post I was only gonna post 'Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races' but instead I'm going to agree with you in full

I agree also.

05-08-2010, 08:51 PM	#1 (permalink)
mnms370Z Base Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Milford New Hampshire Posts: 21 Drives: White 370Z Tour/Sprt Rep Power: 15	Our Z vs New Mustang 5.0 Well guys I love my car but I have to admit I am a little taken back by the new Mustang with the new 5.0 412hp engine. Anyone else having the thoughts of a trade?

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05-08-2010, 09:00 PM	#4 (permalink)
kailua Base Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Earth Posts: 82 Drives: 09 STI Rep Power: 16	So the question is, if Nissan drops the new 5.6 V8 into the Z would anyone buy it? Not that it will happen cause of weight distribution, getting too close to hp of the GTR, etc.

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kailua Base Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Earth Posts: 82 Drives: 09 STI Rep Power: 16	Damn it Nissan, please put a V8 into the Z. Forget the environmentally friendly leaf crap and give us some displacement. I realized why I sold my 370Z, 1.) I am getting older and lazier so I should have bought an automatic, instead of the 6 spd and 2.) I missed the 5.7liter V8 from my Tundra single cab. I miss that truck. Current ride: 2010 GTI, DSG w/ APR Stage1 - 254hp, 297lb-ft Tq Been debating a GTR because I don't have to shift but $72K for a 2010 seems pricey for a daily commuter.

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kevin.z Enthusiast Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: vancouver(shipping:WA Posts: 359 Drives: 09 370z M6 PGtouring Rep Power: 15	ahh... you are complaining about not having a v8 and you now have wimpy fwd GTI. I am sorry man, you fail.