Nismo Accident Pics -- Very Sad

StLRedrider · 02-23-2010, 05:29 PM

where are the pics?

m4a1mustang · 02-23-2010, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by spearfish25

He could have just deleted the thread.

If I crashed my Z, I'm not sure that the first thing I'd do is come post pics of it on here. If I did post pics, I'm sure I'd give some details so others could learn from my mistake.

Well it's one thing when you post and pretty much make it known that it was your fault. But when you blame your friend and a random dog or your mom, well, it just makes you look like an idiot!

The big thing, though, is that this crap is happening on the street. People with no concept for vehicle dynamics are out trying to be drift stars on the street, putting themselves and others in danger, and generally making our community look bad.

If you do it on the track... it sucks, but at least you did it on the right place. If you do it on the street...

m4a1mustang · 02-23-2010, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by StLRedrider

where are the pics?

OP deleted all of his posts and bailed on us.

dad · 02-23-2010, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by StLRedrider

where are the pics?

I think we hurt his feelings......truth hurts!

StLRedrider · 02-23-2010, 05:35 PM

spearfish25 · 02-23-2010, 05:36 PM

Something I'm now appreciating is how people suddenly claim they understand vehicle dynamics. I've done three track days last year. I think I pushed the car pretty well and I definitely have a better feel for what it can do. Do I think that I now have the 'power' to turn off VDC with narry a second thought?. F#ck NO!

Having done some track days, I wouldn't say that track days alone warrant the confidence of turning off VDC all the time and claiming mastery of vehicle dynamics. I'd have to have done a bunch of autocross, some drift schools, and perhaps some performance winter driving classes to even consider calling myself proficient with vehicle dynamics.

m4a1mustang · 02-23-2010, 05:36 PM

Yeah. My guess is around the time the guys' car gets repaired we're going to see a new member join up with a new PW Nismo!

m4a1mustang · 02-23-2010, 05:42 PM

The scariest thing is that there are people out there who just flat out assume that their car will corner on rails. They can't even begin to imagine how a car would react to wheel spin on corner exit. They probably don't even know what wheel spin is!!!

And they usually end up stuffing themselves into a tree or a guardrail somewhere because they thought they could take a corner at 50mph that would have been edgy at 35! Or because they thought they could Tokyo Drift it around a corner...

I have to say that some of the questions that turn up on this forum really scare me sometimes... just knowing that I am sharing the road with people that don't even have a clue...

Hugoneus · 02-23-2010, 05:51 PM

I have only been driving my Z for a couple of days and of course I have never turned off VDC (nor do I plan to).

I am curious, how well does this VDC work?

m4a1mustang · 02-23-2010, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Hugoneus

I have only been driving my Z for a couple of days and of course I have never turned off VDC (nor do I plan to).

I am curious, how well does this VDC work?

It will try to keep you from killing yourself but it's not a guarantee.

phelan · 02-23-2010, 05:54 PM

Weird, try going to OP's profile. It's like...completely blanked out. Can you deactivate your forum account? lol

Three Sixty Performance Driving Academy <-- I wanna join this if they still have it...I believe AK showed a video of it already...

Cyberium · 02-23-2010, 05:58 PM

I drive mostly with VDC off on dry sunny days because I consider myself an experienced enough driver to handle it. Although, it is ALWAYS on when the roads are slick or it's raining. VDC works as intended. If it senses any slippage it will kick in and slow down the rear wheels. Say if your pulling onto a major road from a side street and you give it a little gas and the rear end kicks out the VDC will automatically kick in and kill your rear wheel spin which essentially straightens you out. I find VDC scarier than non-vdc mode for this reason alone. I don't like not being in 100% control of my car.

Hugoneus · 02-23-2010, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Cyberium

Say if your pulling onto a major road from a side street and you give it a little gas and the rear end kicks out the VDC will automatically kick in and kill your rear wheel spin which essentially straightens you out. I find VDC scarier than non-vdc mode for this reason alone. I don't like not being in 100% control of my car.

There is something wrong with that logic. If the end of the your car is slipping out of control, then you by definition are not in control of your car. If you are always 100% in control of your car, then the VDC should never kick in, no?

spearfish25 · 02-23-2010, 06:06 PM

VDC does more than cut power to your rear tires. It also modulates the brakes on all four wheels to regain stability.

The Safety of Nissan’s Vehicle Dynamic Control System (VDC) Explained Victoria Nissan

Last I heard, Audi was working on a system that didn't slow the car while trying to maintain control (most stability systems using braking to regain control). The new Audi system attempts to apply power to straighten the car instead. Not sure how this is coming along though.

Cyberium · 02-23-2010, 06:07 PM

Since i'm not a complete moron I know what will cause the rear end to kick out and hence I will be expecting it. Nothing wrong with a little tire spin when there is no traffic around. I'm just saying it's a horrible feeling to be expecting your car to act one way and then have VDC kick in and jolt the hell out of you and stop the forward motion of your car.

02-23-2010, 05:29 PM	#91 (permalink)
StLRedrider A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: St.louis,Mo Posts: 17,755 Drives: O9Sprt/Touring,p-51 Rep Power: 60	where are the pics? __________________ Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today J.Dean

02-23-2010, 05:35 PM	#95 (permalink)
StLRedrider A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: St.louis,Mo Posts: 17,755 Drives: O9Sprt/Touring,p-51 Rep Power: 60	__________________ Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today J.Dean

02-23-2010, 05:36 PM	#96 (permalink)
spearfish25 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Naples, FL Posts: 4,117 Drives: to work Rep Power: 1856	Something I'm now appreciating is how people suddenly claim they understand vehicle dynamics. I've done three track days last year. I think I pushed the car pretty well and I definitely have a better feel for what it can do. Do I think that I now have the 'power' to turn off VDC with narry a second thought?. F#ck NO! Having done some track days, I wouldn't say that track days alone warrant the confidence of turning off VDC all the time and claiming mastery of vehicle dynamics. I'd have to have done a bunch of autocross, some drift schools, and perhaps some performance winter driving classes to even consider calling myself proficient with vehicle dynamics. __________________ 2013 Cadillac V-Wagon, RIP Z

02-23-2010, 05:36 PM	#97 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	Yeah. My guess is around the time the guys' car gets repaired we're going to see a new member join up with a new PW Nismo! __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

02-23-2010, 05:42 PM	#98 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	The scariest thing is that there are people out there who just flat out assume that their car will corner on rails. They can't even begin to imagine how a car would react to wheel spin on corner exit. They probably don't even know what wheel spin is!!! And they usually end up stuffing themselves into a tree or a guardrail somewhere because they thought they could take a corner at 50mph that would have been edgy at 35! Or because they thought they could Tokyo Drift it around a corner... I have to say that some of the questions that turn up on this forum really scare me sometimes... just knowing that I am sharing the road with people that don't even have a clue... __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook! Last edited by m4a1mustang; 02-23-2010 at 05:45 PM.

02-23-2010, 05:51 PM	#99 (permalink)
Hugoneus Base Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Milky Way Posts: 245 Drives: 2010 370z T+S+N 6MT Rep Power: 15	I have only been driving my Z for a couple of days and of course I have never turned off VDC (nor do I plan to). I am curious, how well does this VDC work?

02-23-2010, 05:54 PM	#101 (permalink)
phelan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: CA Age: 38 Posts: 9,513 Drives: Scoobaroo Rep Power: 3406	Weird, try going to OP's profile. It's like...completely blanked out. Can you deactivate your forum account? lol Three Sixty Performance Driving Academy <-- I wanna join this if they still have it...I believe AK showed a video of it already... __________________ 凛 ('Rin') - 2009 Nissan 370Z With silence comes peace. With peace comes freedom. With freedom comes silence.

02-23-2010, 05:58 PM	#102 (permalink)
Cyberium Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Vermont Posts: 379 Drives: 370z Touring \| Sport Rep Power: 16	I drive mostly with VDC off on dry sunny days because I consider myself an experienced enough driver to handle it. Although, it is ALWAYS on when the roads are slick or it's raining. VDC works as intended. If it senses any slippage it will kick in and slow down the rear wheels. Say if your pulling onto a major road from a side street and you give it a little gas and the rear end kicks out the VDC will automatically kick in and kill your rear wheel spin which essentially straightens you out. I find VDC scarier than non-vdc mode for this reason alone. I don't like not being in 100% control of my car.

02-23-2010, 06:06 PM	#104 (permalink)
spearfish25 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Naples, FL Posts: 4,117 Drives: to work Rep Power: 1856	VDC does more than cut power to your rear tires. It also modulates the brakes on all four wheels to regain stability. The Safety of Nissan’s Vehicle Dynamic Control System (VDC) Explained Victoria Nissan Last I heard, Audi was working on a system that didn't slow the car while trying to maintain control (most stability systems using braking to regain control). The new Audi system attempts to apply power to straighten the car instead. Not sure how this is coming along though. __________________ 2013 Cadillac V-Wagon, RIP Z

02-23-2010, 06:07 PM	#105 (permalink)
Cyberium Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Vermont Posts: 379 Drives: 370z Touring \| Sport Rep Power: 16	Since i'm not a complete moron I know what will cause the rear end to kick out and hence I will be expecting it. Nothing wrong with a little tire spin when there is no traffic around. I'm just saying it's a horrible feeling to be expecting your car to act one way and then have VDC kick in and jolt the hell out of you and stop the forward motion of your car.

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