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Originally Posted by Rusty I would lawyer up. Undo the deal. Because you don't know if there is other damage under the car that may show up later. They sold

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Old 02-02-2018, 10:13 AM   #16 (permalink)
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I would lawyer up. Undo the deal. Because you don't know if there is other damage under the car that may show up later. They sold you a damage vehicle and didn't tell you.


Unwind the deal and also sue them for all the time you spend dealing with it. The dealer is shady, the salesman a lying scumbag and Nissan USA complicit in the whole affair.

When the revolution comes I hope they are among the first against the wall.
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didnt they have to disclose a carfax and have you sign that when you did your papers? I had to here in NC. I looked at the carfax beforehand as well. Not that a carfax has evertyhing, but just curious. If it were me i would shove the car back up there butts and move on. Resale will eventually show a glitch on a carfax - or now that it is posted here on the forum - everyone knows and you will get beat up if you ever go to sell it. Send it back...write a nice long review on yelp.
It can take over 6 months before things show up on carfax. Being a new car at a dealership. They don't have to report it. They can cover it up. Which is what they did.
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Unwind the deal and also sue them for all the time you spend dealing with it. The dealer is shady, the salesman a lying scumbag and Nissan USA complicit in the whole affair.

When the revolution comes I hope they are among the first against the wall.
This. Why bother going through the hassle of having a body shop fix your brand new car? The whole point of buying new is that it's.....well new.

Also keep in mind now that the history is unraveled, there is further diminished value on top of the depreciation hit you took the second it drove off the lot. This will always be there regardless of how well a body shop repaints.
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get the money back, no need to go through the lawyer cause it will cost you more time and headache.

after the whole thing is done then write this story on public media and google reviews.

let the public knows is always better than just letting the judge knows.
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Return the car to the dealer. But first, report the damage to carfax. Then delay the return to give carfax time to update.
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Drove 5 hours round trip to dealer today to unwind the deal. They continued to push lifetime paint warranty and lifetime mechanical warranty. Told them I wasn’t interested. Offered to repaint whole car. Again, not interested. Chicken *hit dealership owner wouldn’t see me, so salesman was the go-between. After about an hour of arguing, ended up that the ultimatum was either work with them on a payout (likely in the $6k range) or get lawyers involved. Salesman first claimed that disclosure threshold was 15% in Lousiana, then later parroted the owner claiming it is 20-25%. I called BS, showed him the statute on the state’s website stating a 6% threshold, and asked him to think about this carefully and perhaps talk with the owner before continuing on the path of resisting the unwind of the deal, as it was about to get very costly for them. He said the owner wasn’t going to budge. I decided it’s time to quit playing nice and lawyer up. Walked out and drove the Z home. Lawyer suggested talking to LA Attorney General’s office first, as there is an entire division dedicated to nothing but auto fraud. This kind of fraud must be prevalent in that state to have a dedicated division for just that? Lawyer stated that 9 out of 10 times the dealer will cave once the AG Office is involved. We’ll see. If they don’t, lawyer stated that the case is solid and we’ll nail their collective a**es. I’m amazed at the stupidity of the salesman and dealership owner. I guess they operate like this and most people are happy to get paint “corrected” and a “lifetime mechanical warranty” once they start talking about lawyers. Not.this.time.
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Goes to show, it's always buyer beware and do your due diligence. Even if you're right, it's still a hassle and pain in the @ss once to undo you sign the deal. Good luck!

I bet LA has lots of sales like this due to floods. Auto fraud big business down there.

Don't forget to mention the name of the dealer and post a good yelp review once this is resolved.
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I would undo the deal, you were supposed to get a new car, not a new repainted car. The paint will never ever be the same. Go get another one, this isn't the only Z out there.
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Agree you're doing the right thing to unwind the deal with complaint to state and attorney working for you. Don't forget to post the name of the dealer when this is over. And good luck finding the Z you want.
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this is purely dishonest practice. Hope it will work out well for you. Good luck.

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Drove 5 hours round trip to dealer today to unwind the deal. They continued to push lifetime paint warranty and lifetime mechanical warranty. Told them I wasn’t interested. Offered to repaint whole car. Again, not interested. Chicken *hit dealership owner wouldn’t see me, so salesman was the go-between. After about an hour of arguing, ended up that the ultimatum was either work with them on a payout (likely in the $6k range) or get lawyers involved. Salesman first claimed that disclosure threshold was 15% in Lousiana, then later parroted the owner claiming it is 20-25%. I called BS, showed him the statute on the state’s website stating a 6% threshold, and asked him to think about this carefully and perhaps talk with the owner before continuing on the path of resisting the unwind of the deal, as it was about to get very costly for them. He said the owner wasn’t going to budge. I decided it’s time to quit playing nice and lawyer up. Walked out and drove the Z home. Lawyer suggested talking to LA Attorney General’s office first, as there is an entire division dedicated to nothing but auto fraud. This kind of fraud must be prevalent in that state to have a dedicated division for just that? Lawyer stated that 9 out of 10 times the dealer will cave once the AG Office is involved. We’ll see. If they don’t, lawyer stated that the case is solid and we’ll nail their collective a**es. I’m amazed at the stupidity of the salesman and dealership owner. I guess they operate like this and most people are happy to get paint “corrected” and a “lifetime mechanical warranty” once they start talking about lawyers. Not.this.time.
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Louisiana AG’s Office wasn’t of much help. Can file a complaint, but they don’t seem to be too concerned with investigating nor penalizing the dealer. Suggested I retain a lawyer and take them to court, or contact local law enforcement as they stated that this is the entity with the jurisdiction. I doubt local law enforcement is going to care or be of any help here. They are surely more focused on murders, tapes, violent crimes, etc than car fraud, which I get. Besides, the local podunk dealer probably gives to local police fundraisers or knows local officials and is “a pillar of the community”. I doubt an out of state individual from Texas (they don’t care for anyone from out of state) would get a fair shake, having lived in New Orleans for 2 years and seeing how some things work in LA. They will take care of their own.
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Louisiana AG’s Office wasn’t of much help. Can file a complaint, but they don’t seem to be too concerned with investigating nor penalizing the dealer. Suggested I retain a lawyer and take them to court, or contact local law enforcement as they stated that this is the entity with the jurisdiction. I doubt local law enforcement is going to care or be of any help here. They are surely more focused on murders, tapes, violent crimes, etc than car fraud, which I get. Besides, the local podunk dealer probably gives to local police fundraisers or knows local officials and is “a pillar of the community”. I doubt an out of state individual from Texas (they don’t care for anyone from out of state) would get a fair shake, having lived in New Orleans for 2 years and seeing how some things work in LA. They will take care of their own.
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Lawyer up and good luck!
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