NEW 2-17-15 - possible 2016/17 Z (Z35) details

jwick · 02-17-2015, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by brucelidat

Can't really use the Miata as an example. They are totally different. The Miata is a small lightweight sports car that is a big seller and designed individually. The Z is more of a higher performance muscle sports car that doesn't sell enough to have its own platform and needs to share.

brucelidat · 02-17-2015, 01:32 PM

Meaning the miata is all about lightweight and driving. Z is more of a balance between enough power to run with muscle cars and enough handling to be a good sports car.

Driftomodachi · 02-17-2015, 01:37 PM

Losing weight is losing weight. The z34 is actually pretty light compared to the G37. Making it under 3000lbs would be super rad

brucelidat · 02-17-2015, 01:40 PM

It would be great and it might lose a little, but I think under 3k lbs is not realistic to expect at the pricepoint the Z is at.

Magic Bus · 02-17-2015, 02:03 PM

Agree with those that say can't get weight under 3,000. Miata is only 167 hp, FRS 200 hp from the factory. Supporting drivetrain can be much smaller/lighter to support this. 400+ hp does require everything to be stronger/heavier unless very expensive materials are used. Low 3K would be excellent, IMHO.

Just another side note, Miata sold under 4,800 in the US last year, Z's sold over 7k. I'm guessing that if Nissan pumps up the Z to over 400 hp, they'll see a dramatic increase in sales.

brucelidat · 02-17-2015, 02:36 PM

Interesting. I see so many Miatas around and I always talk of it being a big success for Mazda that I assumed there were a lot more sold.

FPenvy · 02-17-2015, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Magic Bus

Agree with those that say can't get weight under 3,000. Miata is only 167 hp, FRS 200 hp from the factory. Supporting drivetrain can be much smaller/lighter to support this. 400+ hp does require everything to be stronger/heavier unless very expensive materials are used. Low 3K would be excellent, IMHO.

Just another side note, Miata sold under 4,800 in the US last year, Z's sold over 7k. I'm guessing that if Nissan pumps up the Z to over 400 hp, they'll see a dramatic increase in sales.

I feel that's the point people overlook when they get into these weight arguments.

like yea no shit lighter would be better but at this price point of the Z we aren't paying for all carbon fiber pieces, magnesium, etc... like the million dollar super cars that can weigh under 3k pounds with 700+ HP

it's a budget sports car in all reality. <50K car with good power, good tech, and a great body. may be just above 3k pounds but that's not bad with the power and handling that comes with the Z

Magic Bus · 02-17-2015, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by brucelidat

Interesting. I see so many Miatas around and I always talk of it being a big success for Mazda that I assumed there were a lot more sold.

You are correct, it is a big success for Mazda when looking at the big picture. Nissan is #6 in US sales with an 8.5% share, compare it to GM's 17% (#1) and Toyota's 15.5% (#2). Mazda represents only a 2% share in the US, so selling 4,800 Miata's steadily every year, is really good for Mazda.

Firebase99 · 02-17-2015, 03:56 PM

Theres no chance of the Z35 being under 3K pounds. None. Like FP said, it IS a budget sports car. We'll get aluminum, steel and a carbon fiber drive train. 3400lbs. And if it is under 3K, itll be a SLIGHTLY guttier 86. No thanks.

Digital neOn · 02-17-2015, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Magic Bus

Agree with those that say can't get weight under 3,000. Miata is only 167 hp, FRS 200 hp from the factory. Supporting drivetrain can be much smaller/lighter to support this. 400+ hp does require everything to be stronger/heavier unless very expensive materials are used. Low 3K would be excellent, IMHO.

Just another side note, Miata sold under 4,800 in the US last year, Z's sold over 7k. I'm guessing that if Nissan pumps up the Z to over 400 hp, they'll see a dramatic increase in sales.

Exactly. If the Z weighs in at around 3,200 lbs that would be amazing. I'm not happy with how modern day vehicles are getting heavier and heavier but it only makes sense considering all of the "safety standards" on modern cars add weight. Not to mention a quality built car is always going to weigh more due to all of extra electronics, sound system, airbags, and in general quality interior.

Like you said Nissan can use lighter and stronger materials but that would cost the consumers more.

edk370 · 02-17-2015, 04:05 PM

Yeah baby, C7 M3/4 level power and acceleration. Watch out!!

Firebase99 · 02-17-2015, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by edk370

Yeah baby, C7 M3/4 level power and acceleration. Watch out!!

Close, hopefully itll be close realistically. Z32 was nipping at the P Turbo back in '91, Z33 was running with E46 M, Z34 handed the Boxster its *** and right there with the S. Unfortunately by 2010 the Germans pulled away and stayed there.

Driftomodachi · 02-17-2015, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy

I feel that's the point people overlook when they get into these weight arguments.

like yea no shit lighter would be better but at this price point of the Z we aren't paying for all carbon fiber pieces, magnesium, etc... like the million dollar super cars that can weigh under 3k pounds with 700+ HP

it's a budget sports car in all reality. <50K car with good power, good tech, and a great body. may be just above 3k pounds but that's not bad with the power and handling that comes with the Z

The Alfa 4C is all carbon fiber and under $70k

brucelidat · 02-17-2015, 05:27 PM

Which is still a hell of a lot higher than the Z's pricepoint not to mention it has a 1.7 liter engine.

Firebase99 · 02-17-2015, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Driftomodachi

The Alfa 4C is all carbon fiber and under $70k

The engine and performance are more than adequate, but that is spartan for a DD. If i had $70K for a toy Id get one. I have 2004 accord, 2013 S60 and my GC. Not an option with a $50K budget, Italians are out at this price point.

02-17-2015, 01:32 PM	#32 (permalink)
brucelidat A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: temple city, ca Posts: 2,432 Drives: 2011 370z 7AT GM Sp Rep Power: 30	Meaning the miata is all about lightweight and driving. Z is more of a balance between enough power to run with muscle cars and enough handling to be a good sports car. __________________ Works Emotion CR Ultimate - FI CBE w/ 18" resonators - Ecutek - eibach sways - Quaife - FI LTH w/race cats - kw v3 - spl - Topgunz SC - 488whp 398trq

02-17-2015, 01:37 PM	#33 (permalink)
Driftomodachi Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Cerritos, CA Posts: 482 Drives: 2010 40th Rep Power: 13	Losing weight is losing weight. The z34 is actually pretty light compared to the G37. Making it under 3000lbs would be super rad __________________ 2010 40th Anniversary ll GT-R start button ll GT-R map lenses ll Plastidipped fangs and rear valence ll OEM foglight & switch ll Motordyne E370 Cat back ll Motordyne ART Pipes ll Takeda aFe Attack CAI ll Sprint Booster ll Z1 34 row Setrab oil cooler ll Z1 Motorsports M-Spec Shift Knob

02-17-2015, 01:40 PM	#34 (permalink)
brucelidat A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: temple city, ca Posts: 2,432 Drives: 2011 370z 7AT GM Sp Rep Power: 30	It would be great and it might lose a little, but I think under 3k lbs is not realistic to expect at the pricepoint the Z is at. FPenvy likes this. __________________ Works Emotion CR Ultimate - FI CBE w/ 18" resonators - Ecutek - eibach sways - Quaife - FI LTH w/race cats - kw v3 - spl - Topgunz SC - 488whp 398trq

02-17-2015, 02:03 PM	#35 (permalink)
Magic Bus A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2012 Location: Honolulu Posts: 1,427 Drives: 17 6MT M2 Rep Power: 18753	Agree with those that say can't get weight under 3,000. Miata is only 167 hp, FRS 200 hp from the factory. Supporting drivetrain can be much smaller/lighter to support this. 400+ hp does require everything to be stronger/heavier unless very expensive materials are used. Low 3K would be excellent, IMHO. Just another side note, Miata sold under 4,800 in the US last year, Z's sold over 7k. I'm guessing that if Nissan pumps up the Z to over 400 hp, they'll see a dramatic increase in sales. FPenvy and jpkirk like this.

02-17-2015, 02:36 PM	#36 (permalink)
brucelidat A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: temple city, ca Posts: 2,432 Drives: 2011 370z 7AT GM Sp Rep Power: 30	Interesting. I see so many Miatas around and I always talk of it being a big success for Mazda that I assumed there were a lot more sold. __________________ Works Emotion CR Ultimate - FI CBE w/ 18" resonators - Ecutek - eibach sways - Quaife - FI LTH w/race cats - kw v3 - spl - Topgunz SC - 488whp 398trq

02-17-2015, 03:56 PM	#39 (permalink)
Firebase99 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: fl Posts: 1,372 Drives: 14 3.8 Gen Coupe GT Rep Power: 14033	Theres no chance of the Z35 being under 3K pounds. None. Like FP said, it IS a budget sports car. We'll get aluminum, steel and a carbon fiber drive train. 3400lbs. And if it is under 3K, itll be a SLIGHTLY guttier 86. No thanks. FPenvy likes this.

02-17-2015, 04:05 PM	#41 (permalink)
edk370 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: So Cal Posts: 296 Drives: 09 370Z Rep Power: 12	Yeah baby, C7 M3/4 level power and acceleration. Watch out!!

02-17-2015, 05:27 PM	#44 (permalink)
brucelidat A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: temple city, ca Posts: 2,432 Drives: 2011 370z 7AT GM Sp Rep Power: 30	Which is still a hell of a lot higher than the Z's pricepoint not to mention it has a 1.7 liter engine. FPenvy and Firebase99 like this. __________________ Works Emotion CR Ultimate - FI CBE w/ 18" resonators - Ecutek - eibach sways - Quaife - FI LTH w/race cats - kw v3 - spl - Topgunz SC - 488whp 398trq

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