Ahh Man...Mustang 5.0 swap???

shadoquad · 07-11-2011, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

There is a little too much fanboyism going on on both sides here.

First, the V6 with the performance package (summer tires, GT suspension) can get very close to the GT's times on certain tracks where speeds don't exceed its limiter, and the GT is faster than the 370Z on most all road courses, so I don't think it's too far fetched to think the sport version of the V6 could be quicker than a NISMO on some tracks. Plus, we all know that outright speed doesn't really matter as the Z would be in limp mode after one lap without an oil cooler

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The v6 stang can probably "hang with" a Z, and I think the drivers will determine the winner. Start modding them both, it's cheaper to turn the v6 stang into a monster than it is the Z, and top end, mod-for-mod, the v6 Stang may hold the edge. Back down to earth, for the same money as a Nismo Z, you can get a GT, which will torch a Z around a track.

Bottom line, buy what you like. The Z is still a fantastic and fast car. The Mustang is simply as fast or faster. There's no shame in that.

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Second, if you think the 370Z is "exclusive" you are sadly mistaken. What are the barriers to entry that make it "exclusive?" It's a very inexpensive sports car that anyone can buy. The correct word is rare. There are far fewer 370Zs than there are Mustangs around (~10,000 370Zs sold a year vs. ~30,000 Mustang 5.0s). There's absolutely nothing "exclusive" about a $30k car.

Rarity is nice, but it's also a sign that the Z won't be around much longer

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Third, everything Trips said is correct. Instead of bashing people for their choice of vehicle, focus on being happy with yours.

Yep, Triple's was right on.

m4a1mustang · 07-11-2011, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

The v6 stang can probably "hang with" a Z, and I think the drivers will determine the winner. Start modding them both, it's cheaper to turn the v6 stang into a monster than it is the Z, and top end, mod-for-mod, the v6 Stang may hold the edge. Back down to earth, for the same money as a Nismo Z, you can get a GT, which will torch a Z around a track.

Bottom line, buy what you like. The Z is still a fantastic and fast car. The Mustang is simply as fast or faster. There's no shame in that.

Rarity is nice, but it's also a sign that the Z won't be around much longer

Yep, Triple's was right on.

and that's what I worry about. I know the bean counters at Nissan aren't too happy with the 370Z since they approved the project on the basis of selling 30k a year, so it makes you wonder if they are going to go ahead and invest in developing another Z or just throw in the towel. It's tough because its in a super competitive market. The $30-45k segment is tough... It's competing with Mustang, Camaro, Challenger, Genesis, G37, etc.

shadoquad · 07-11-2011, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

and that's what I worry about. I know the bean counters at Nissan aren't too happy with the 370Z since they approved the project on the basis of selling 30k a year, so it makes you wonder if they are going to go ahead and invest in developing another Z or just throw in the towel. It's tough because its in a super competitive market. The $30-45k segment is tough... It's competing with Mustang, Camaro, Challenger, Genesis, G37, etc.

They may keep it around as a halo car. Like Mazda keeps producing RX-8's in small numbers to keep a rotary in the lineup, Nissan may choose to keep the Z in the lineup just to say "we still make a Z car". There have been periods where GM has taken massive losses in producing the Corvette, but they kept it around because they felt the PR hit was too great if they stopped production, even for a few years.

Nismoracer · 07-11-2011, 10:12 PM

Wasnt trying to start another hate fest, just giving props where its due. As far as the V6 mustang topend, idk. But in the reviews they have it at 5.3 / 13.8 which is what the nismo comes in at also. I hae gotten a better time but those are the consistant averages. THE NISMO IS A GREAT CAR. never regretted getting one. Fun car and if you have one you have taste, style and a certain appreciation for quality.

Been great, appreciate all the helpful tips, great site for info and sharing of information. I have no brand loyalty. I dont ever rcall any of them paying me or giving anything. Competition and choices are great you can say it makes things better.

This gen mustang is great. The last one i had was a 1990 gt that i believe had 225 hp. I boldly stuck a paxton supercharger maybe pushing 300hp???

Either way THE NISSAN Z IS A GREAT CAR but the mustang calls. For now untill tt??.
So i will

90 ST · 07-11-2011, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

and that's what I worry about. I know the bean counters at Nissan aren't too happy with the 370Z since they approved the project on the basis of selling 30k a year, so it makes you wonder if they are going to go ahead and invest in developing another Z or just throw in the towel. It's tough because its in a super competitive market. The $30-45k segment is tough... It's competing with Mustang, Camaro, Challenger, Genesis, G37, etc.

they could also give the car more power, almost every car you mentioned has more power, even if they got it to 400hp with the wieght savings it would be right in there again.

b1adesofcha0s · 07-11-2011, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 90 ST

they could also give the car more power, almost every car you mentioned has more power, even if they got it to 400hp with the wieght savings it would be right in there again.

Maybe a nice pair of electric motors at the wheels could give it more power and make it more like a hybrid to promote their green image?

b1adesofcha0s · 07-11-2011, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

There is a little too much fanboyism going on on both sides here.

First, the V6 with the performance package (summer tires, GT suspension) can get very close to the GT's times on certain tracks where speeds don't exceed its limiter, and the GT is faster than the 370Z on most all road courses, so I don't think it's too far fetched to think the sport version of the V6 could be quicker than a NISMO on some tracks. Plus, we all know that outright speed doesn't really matter as the Z would be in limp mode after one lap without an oil cooler

.

Second, if you think the 370Z is "exclusive" you are sadly mistaken. What are the barriers to entry that make it "exclusive?" It's a very inexpensive sports car that anyone can buy. The correct word is rare. There are far fewer 370Zs than there are Mustangs around (~10,000 370Zs sold a year vs. ~30,000 Mustang 5.0s). There's absolutely nothing "exclusive" about a $30k car.

Third, everything Trips said is correct. Instead of bashing people for their choice of vehicle, focus on being happy with yours.

m4a1mustang · 07-11-2011, 09:56 AM

The GT-R is their halo car. That's the one that will stick around regardless of whether it makes money, IMO.

I think the Z could go the way or the dodo bird, they could keep it around in it's typical 2-seater configuration, or they could try to reinvent it as a 2+2 to compete better with the other 2+2s on the market. I hope they don't, but it's a definite possibility.

Then there's obviously Nissan's green initiative... I could see a hybrid Z or full electric Z in the near future. :/

shadoquad · 07-11-2011, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

The GT-R is their halo car. That's the one that will stick around regardless of whether it makes money, IMO.

I think the Z could go the way or the dodo bird, they could keep it around in it's typical 2-seater configuration, or they could try to reinvent it as a 2+2 to compete better with the other 2+2s on the market. I hope they don't, but it's a definite possibility.

Then there's obviously Nissan's green initiative... I could see a hybrid Z or full electric Z in the near future. :/

The GT-R is "a" halo car. I'm unsure of whether they make profit on it or not. But the PR would be bad for Nissan to admit defeat and give up on the Z car.

It definitely could happen, but it would look bad.

m4a1mustang · 07-11-2011, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

The GT-R is "a" halo car. I'm unsure of whether they make profit on it or not. But the PR would be bad for Nissan to admit defeat and give up on the Z car.

It definitely could happen, but it would look bad.

I'm not sure if the PR would be too bad. To be honest, the press never gave the Z car that much attention to begin with.

Plus, like I said, with Nissan trying to reinvent itself as a future-looking, green brand, I think any good PR from that would outweigh whatever bad PR castrating the Z might bring.

roplusbee · 07-11-2011, 10:00 AM

Hopefully Nissan does not throw in the towel on the Z. It is an icon. The have the GT-R, but the Z is pretty much what defines NISSAN. Other than the Maxima and Altima, what is left?

I would be interested to see some of the Mustang owners once I return from "hell", just to get a grip on how great they are as opposed to the lowly Z (sarcasm). Maybe I will go to a Ford dealer and test drive one for giggles.............

m4a1mustang · 07-11-2011, 10:02 AM

The problem is I am not sure if Nissan cares about the Z's heritage. They are trying to push a very green lineup so I wouldn't be surprised to see them just use the name to help promote some new lame electric car. :/

shadoquad · 07-11-2011, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

The problem is I am not sure if Nissan cares about the Z's heritage. They are trying to push a very green lineup so I wouldn't be surprised to see them just use the name to help promote some new lame electric car. :/

I could see that, too, although I don't know if it would be a bad thing. If the car performs well, I don't care what's powering its wheels or if it has a gearbox.

Still, they're certainly not keeping it around because it's exclusive like the Reventon. The Nissan 370Z does not come with a helicopter delivery option or take prizes at the Concours D'Elegance. lol it weighs down showroom floors

b1adesofcha0s · 07-11-2011, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

The problem is I am not sure if Nissan cares about the Z's heritage. They are trying to push a very green lineup so I wouldn't be surprised to see them just use the name to help promote some new lame electric car. :/

I could definitely see that happening.

m4a1mustang · 07-11-2011, 10:06 AM

Bottom line is we are a dying breed. Not by our own choice, and we probably haven't seen the peak yet, but I think we're very close to the end of the high-powered, gas slurping cars we love so much. This is why I am a big proponent of enjoying it while we still can instead of fanboy fighting like we tend to do on these forums.

332 hp 3.7L, 412 hp 5.0... we're all going to end up in some 1.8L gas/electric hybrid nanny-mobile.

Drive like you stole the god damn thing, fellas. Enjoy it while you still can.

07-11-2011, 09:56 AM	#8 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	The GT-R is their halo car. That's the one that will stick around regardless of whether it makes money, IMO. I think the Z could go the way or the dodo bird, they could keep it around in it's typical 2-seater configuration, or they could try to reinvent it as a 2+2 to compete better with the other 2+2s on the market. I hope they don't, but it's a definite possibility. Then there's obviously Nissan's green initiative... I could see a hybrid Z or full electric Z in the near future. :/ __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

07-11-2011, 10:00 AM	#11 (permalink)
roplusbee A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Killeen, TX Posts: 2,360 Drives: 2007 350Z NISMO Rep Power: 23	Hopefully Nissan does not throw in the towel on the Z. It is an icon. The have the GT-R, but the Z is pretty much what defines NISSAN. Other than the Maxima and Altima, what is left? I would be interested to see some of the Mustang owners once I return from "hell", just to get a grip on how great they are as opposed to the lowly Z (sarcasm). Maybe I will go to a Ford dealer and test drive one for giggles............. __________________ 2007 350Z NISMO #0618: Zerolift \| UPREV \| F.I. \| Greddy \| Competition Clutch \| Injector Dynamics \| Aeromotive \| Pioneer \| JL

07-11-2011, 10:02 AM	#12 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	The problem is I am not sure if Nissan cares about the Z's heritage. They are trying to push a very green lineup so I wouldn't be surprised to see them just use the name to help promote some new lame electric car. :/ __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

07-11-2011, 10:06 AM	#15 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	Bottom line is we are a dying breed. Not by our own choice, and we probably haven't seen the peak yet, but I think we're very close to the end of the high-powered, gas slurping cars we love so much. This is why I am a big proponent of enjoying it while we still can instead of fanboy fighting like we tend to do on these forums. 332 hp 3.7L, 412 hp 5.0... we're all going to end up in some 1.8L gas/electric hybrid nanny-mobile. Drive like you stole the god damn thing, fellas. Enjoy it while you still can. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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07-11-2011, 10:12 PM	#4 (permalink)
Nismoracer Enthusiast Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Earth Posts: 420 Drives: 10 Nismo Rep Power: 15	Wasnt trying to start another hate fest, just giving props where its due. As far as the V6 mustang topend, idk. But in the reviews they have it at 5.3 / 13.8 which is what the nismo comes in at also. I hae gotten a better time but those are the consistant averages. THE NISMO IS A GREAT CAR. never regretted getting one. Fun car and if you have one you have taste, style and a certain appreciation for quality. Been great, appreciate all the helpful tips, great site for info and sharing of information. I have no brand loyalty. I dont ever rcall any of them paying me or giving anything. Competition and choices are great you can say it makes things better. This gen mustang is great. The last one i had was a 1990 gt that i believe had 225 hp. I boldly stuck a paxton supercharger maybe pushing 300hp??? Either way THE NISSAN Z IS A GREAT CAR but the mustang calls. For now untill tt??. So i will