MAZOC Firearms

MacCool · 09-18-2011, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by murphman

anyone have any opinions on Double Star?

By reputation, I'd be cautiously optimistic about using one of their stripped lowers, but uppers and complete rifles....I think there are better options out there.

eastwest2300 · 09-18-2011, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by murphman

anyone have any opinions on Double Star?

Yeah, I'd listen to Mac, he knows his stuff..

murphman · 09-18-2011, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MacCool

By reputation, I'd be cautiously optimistic about using one of their stripped lowers, but uppers and complete rifles....I think there are better options out there.

thanks for the infos but what kind of reputation do they have? Just wondering cause i saw a near complete Double star (missing rear sights) for 650$ and was wondering at that price and being the manufacturer if it was worth it and then just add the rails, sights and vert grip after.

Fatalsports · 09-18-2011, 04:14 PM

Does anyone know if they sell, I can't seem to find it, an H&K or similar clone MP5 in 9mm?

I know, and own, a .22 MP5 and know of several clones out there...but are there any MP5/clones in 9mm - regulated or non/regulated?

m4a1mustang · 09-18-2011, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by murphman

thanks for the infos but what kind of reputation do they have? Just wondering cause i saw a near complete Double star (missing rear sights) for 650$ and was wondering at that price and being the manufacturer if it was worth it and then just add the rails, sights and vert grip after.

Depends on what you want to do with it?

If it's just plinking... then you're probably GTG.

But based on what I have read I wouldn't expect one to last if I ran it hard.

eastwest2300 · 09-18-2011, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Depends on what you want to do with it?

If it's just plinking... then you're probably GTG.

But based on what I have read I wouldn't expect one to last if I ran it hard.

Thats why you go with a Rock River, here Im gonna help you out..

Rock River Arms: Custom Firearms, Parts, Accessories

MacCool · 09-18-2011, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by murphman

thanks for the infos but what kind of reputation do they have? Just wondering cause i saw a near complete Double star (missing rear sights) for 650$ and was wondering at that price and being the manufacturer if it was worth it and then just add the rails, sights and vert grip after.

I'm probably the wrong one to ask. All my guns get run hard and I've always stayed with brands that have demonstrated that they can take it. Cost hasn't been something I've ever taken much into account so there are definitely gaps in my personal knowledge relative to consumer-grade weapons. Double Star's reputation among the people I shoot with is suspect, but I'm not personally familiar with the brand. I have seen Bushies, DPMS, and RRA's fail with a relatively high degree of consistency in high round count courses, but I've never seen a Double Star run. Relative to that brand, I can only recount conventional wisdom from guys I know who shoot a lot.

As to vertical grips...I don't use 'em much anymore, mostly just low-profile hand stops, although I am currently using an AFG on my SBR. Jury's still out on that one for me, but I'm going to shoot it at this TriCon course.

m4a1mustang · 09-18-2011, 07:50 PM

One thing I've learned is that there really is no real price difference between the top tier of the commercial grade rifles like Stag/RRA and the top tier of the Milspec grade rifles like Colt/Noveske/LMT/DD/BCM.

I originally started out thinking I'd spend about $850 or so on a Stag, but then I learned the differences between the types of barrel steels and HP testing and MP inspection. It's very important stuff that would make or break a rifle when you put it to the test.

Obviously it all depends on what you need out of a rifle, so a lot of people could get by with no issues putting 500-1000 rounds a year through something like a DoubleStar or a Del-ton, but if you want something to rely on for defense I wouldn't be so sure. And if you wanted to do some high-round count intensive shooting or carbine courses, you'd probably find out you'd need to swap your BCG out for a better one and hope you don't burn your barrel up.

That's why I decided to spend the extra bit of cash (which really isn't that much at all) and do a full BCM build. I know it will be up to the task whether that be plinking at the range, defense, or some future carbine classes.

MacCool · 09-18-2011, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

One thing I've learned is that there really is no real price difference between the top tier of the commercial grade rifles like Stag/RRA and the top tier of the Milspec grade rifles like Colt/Noveske/LMT/DD/BCM.

I originally started out thinking I'd spend about $850 or so on a Stag, but then I learned the differences between the types of barrel steels and HP testing and MP inspection. It's very important stuff that would make or break a rifle when you put it to the test.

Obviously it all depends on what you need out of a rifle, so a lot of people could get by with no issues putting 500-1000 rounds a year through something like a DoubleStar or a Del-ton, but if you want something to rely on for defense I wouldn't be so sure. And if you wanted to do some high-round count intensive shooting or carbine courses, you'd probably find out you'd need to swap your BCG out for a better one and hope you don't burn your barrel up.

That's why I decided to spend the extra bit of cash (which really isn't that much at all) and do a full BCM build. I know it will be up to the task whether that be plinking at the range, defense, or some future carbine classes.

Ahh Grasshopper. You have snatched the pebble from my hand...Time for you to leave.

m4a1mustang · 09-18-2011, 08:50 PM

Thanks for steering me in the right direction, Mac.

eastwest2300 · 09-18-2011, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MacCool

Ahh Grasshopper. You have snatched the pebble from my hand...Time for you to leave.

eastwest2300 · 09-18-2011, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Thanks for steering me in the right direction, Mac.

I cant wait for us to get on the range and see how our ARs perform.

Fatalsports · 09-18-2011, 09:36 PM

What range will you guys be going to?

Been trying to find a nice one in the area...

m4a1mustang · 09-18-2011, 09:38 PM

Well I still am not going to attempt to cross into MD with any of my guns.

eastwest2300 · 09-18-2011, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Fatalsports

What range will you guys be going to?

Been trying to find a nice one in the area...

Theres been some buzz about doing a group meet then heading to a range, but we have some members that live in the general area and dont wanna cross state lines to go with their weapons, which is understandable. so we're trying to find some sorta median which works for everybody.

09-18-2011, 07:50 PM	#383 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	One thing I've learned is that there really is no real price difference between the top tier of the commercial grade rifles like Stag/RRA and the top tier of the Milspec grade rifles like Colt/Noveske/LMT/DD/BCM. I originally started out thinking I'd spend about $850 or so on a Stag, but then I learned the differences between the types of barrel steels and HP testing and MP inspection. It's very important stuff that would make or break a rifle when you put it to the test. Obviously it all depends on what you need out of a rifle, so a lot of people could get by with no issues putting 500-1000 rounds a year through something like a DoubleStar or a Del-ton, but if you want something to rely on for defense I wouldn't be so sure. And if you wanted to do some high-round count intensive shooting or carbine courses, you'd probably find out you'd need to swap your BCG out for a better one and hope you don't burn your barrel up. That's why I decided to spend the extra bit of cash (which really isn't that much at all) and do a full BCM build. I know it will be up to the task whether that be plinking at the range, defense, or some future carbine classes. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	Thanks for steering me in the right direction, Mac. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	Well I still am not going to attempt to cross into MD with any of my guns. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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09-18-2011, 04:14 PM	#379 (permalink)
Fatalsports Base Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Urbana, MD Age: 40 Posts: 116 Drives: 2010 370Z Roadster Rep Power: 14	Does anyone know if they sell, I can't seem to find it, an H&K or similar clone MP5 in 9mm? I know, and own, a .22 MP5 and know of several clones out there...but are there any MP5/clones in 9mm - regulated or non/regulated?

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Fatalsports Base Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Urbana, MD Age: 40 Posts: 116 Drives: 2010 370Z Roadster Rep Power: 14	What range will you guys be going to? Been trying to find a nice one in the area...