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Originally Posted by MacCool Agreed. Nothing wrong with cleaning a weapon. There's no downside. They can't be over-cleaned. You're right about that, I guess its the military in me.

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Old 09-14-2011, 08:50 AM   #226 (permalink)
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Agreed. Nothing wrong with cleaning a weapon. There's no downside. They can't be over-cleaned.
You're right about that, I guess its the military in me.
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I'll qualify for an Amex Black card soon enough.
Dont you have some sorta ridiculous annual fee with this card?
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Dont you have some sorta ridiculous annual fee with this card?
You need to charge something like $250k a year, and pay it all off in the same year, to qualify.
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Unfortunately in NOVA all we have are indoor ranges, maximum 50 yards, so an SPR wouldn't see much real use unless I went a ways south to get to an outdoor range. That's why I would do something like that second.
Doesn't Clark bros have an outdoor range?
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Doesn't Clark bros have an outdoor range?
Yeah, but that's still a haul (and you have to use their ammo, which is pricey).
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You need to charge something like $250k a year, and pay it all off in the same year, to qualify.
Dude, and you want THAT card?
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Yeah, but that's still a haul (and you have to use their ammo, which is pricey).
Haaaaaaa No Thanks!
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Dude, and you want THAT card?
It would mean that I make enough money to charge and pay off $250k/yr, so YES!!!
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Yeah, but that's still a haul (and you have to use their ammo, which is pricey).
They never complain if you buy a box of their ammo, then shoot it and your own....and it's really not that far out depending on where you are.
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Dude, if you're making & spending 250K a year, than
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They never complain if you buy a box of their ammo, then shoot it and your own....and it's really not that far out depending on where you are.
I'll check them out one of these days. I really need to take the Mauser somewhere that I can shoot at least 100yds anyways.
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Mac, any thoughts on Palmetto State Armory's stuff?
I buy virtually all my ammo from them. Reliable, fast shipping, good customer service. They have a good reputation. If you're looking to buy a stripped lower, they are a reasonable choice.

If you're going to assemble the lower, I would price out the parts individually and compare them to this complete lower. I would order that lower with the MOE trigger guard, the MOE grip and the CTR stock, and I would also add the Noveske QD endplate so you have something to attach your QD sling swivel to. The blemishes on those BCM cosmetic blems are notoriously minor.

Or, I would order a cosmetic blem lower from BCM without stock body and add a CTR stock. That setup would be a better deal.

The advantage to buying an assembled lower is that you wouldn't need to buy any of the special tools that facilitate such a project. To assemble a lower, you'd need/want a set of roll pin punches, a set of regular punches, an AR castle nut wrench, and a mag well vise block. Other really useful tools would be a bolt-release roll pin punch (avoids marring the receiver) and a pivot spring insertion tool (getting that pivot spring/detent/pin in there can be a bitch...I've launched many detent springs across the room over the years).

Bottom line, first you need to decide and price out assembly of a stripped lower vs buying an assembled lower. If you decide on assembling it yourself, the options for stripped lowers are dizzying. And, it's kind of a minefield. I would have little concern about a stripped lower from Palmetto State Armory. On the other end, I would avoid, like the plague, buying a stripped lower from some guy at a table at a gun show.
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Thanks, Mac.

PSA also looks to have some good deals on nicely spec'd complete uppers as well.
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Thanks, Mac.

PSA also looks to have some good deals on nicely spec'd complete uppers as well.
IMHO, the upper is a different kettle of fish than the lower. The upper is where all the action is and to have reliable function the quality of the individual components and how they interrelate is more critical. The concept of "tolerance stacking" really applies here. An upper receiver that's only a couple of thousandths off might not be a big deal, but if your BCG is also a couple of thousands off, and the bolt is a little off, and your chamber is minimally out of spec, and your gas port is slightly off, and your feed ramps are a little mis-cut, and the barrel extension indexing pin is off, and your front sight is canted, now you have a potential reliability problem. I've seen all of these things in various combinations and over the years I've found that sticking to the known higher-quality mfgrs minimizes those troublesome issues.

You'll often see opinions posted on places like Arfcom that "with Colt, or Noveske, you're just paying extra for the name". I've found that what you're actually paying for is a higher level of quality control. They throw away a higher percentage of components that don't meet their more rigid specs, so the chances of tolerance stacking are minimized.

While I wouldn't be very concerned about buying a lower from PSA, I don't think they'd be my first choice for an upper. I would have zero concerns about buying a complete upper from BCM, or Colt, or Noveske, or DD, or about building an upper from components from those mfgrs (which is what I've been doing lately with the SBR's I've been building, or rifles I help friends build).

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