Next Generation Gaming Systems

SS_Firehawk

ROFL

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shadoquad

It's great that ms responded... After sony publicly shamed them lol


But honestly, it was a smart move for them to reverse course. Credit is due.

Alchemy

The new Xbox is wack. Time for Playstation to take over. Almost every single xboxer I know is switching. Its over priced, underpowered and trying to appeal to a broader audience which will drive away their faithful. I will say though, the stuff Ive seen showing off Microsoft Lightroom looks pretty cool. Im a die hard ps fan and will revel in the demise of the xbox. Although, my ps3 has been collecting dust since I finally opened my eyes to the PC gaming world. I built a nice rig and while I will have a ps4 I dont think Ill see myself console gaming much.

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Mr&Mrs

I think it was a cowards way out. What they needed to try and do was clearly explain everything to people in the coming months. People are so pig headed though who knows if it would have worked. We are now probably losing some great features because of this.



This This is going to be a case of getting what you asked for.

All Sony did was capitalize on the public's stupidity. A better reverse course would have been to actually explain themselves better and hope people grasped it better.

Im sorry but this entire post sounds arrogant and ignorant. Your a "die hard fan" which basically means good or bad you will stick behind a product.

The Xbox One underpowered? The way the power is used is on a level Sony could only dream of. You need to understand how the Xbox One is going to work before you make blind accusations about it. The PS4 has bigger on paper numbers, big deal. The way the Xbox allocates RAM and Cloud Computing is light years ahead of the extra Speed/Power of the PS4's GPU.

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Alchemy

Hmmm, I believe I even complimented Lightroom in that post. Sorry, but most Xbox owners I know are planning on switching, that's just a fact from what Ive experienced. Not to mention what just about ever Xboxer I see posts in comments sections below EVERY article I read. Now that Microsoft realized that the once a day internet connection and no trading of games was a miserable idea they may regain some support. Didn't mean to hurt the Xbox fanboys in here. Its cool, once the systems hit the market we will see what unfolds.

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frost

That probably would have been the way they would have went, if it weren't for pre sales. The couple articles I read speculated that the only reason for the change in course is that their pre sales were dreadful.

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theDreamer

Yep, that was it.
The pre-sale figures from internal reports have been down right horrible. MS had to do something to change this course or else the One would be a bigger flop than Wii U (which is doing horrible currently).

Though I am still not buying either day one, happy with my PS3. Does what I need & when I want.

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I still think it was overly premature to react to initial pre-sale figures. They JUST started the pre-sale, what did they expect? The Internet army was hammering away at them for their decision, so the mainstream consumer was exposed to a lot more anti-XBox than any other article regarding the next gen consoles.

I agree Microsoft had to do something, but I think they pulled the plug way too fast. I actually thought the digital sharing service was a brilliant idea, just the understanding wasn't there, and gamers being HIGHLY CONSERVATIVE (seriously, what the **** guys, it's 2013 already get with it), they recoiled at any price hike they see.

Which, again, is hilarious because we aren't batting an eye at the $400 price tag for the PS4.

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Caustic

The only features we are missing is the Family/Friends cloud ability. And honestly, its an easy fix if they just limit it to digital content.

What you may be assuming is that people were uninformed about the new features. A few anecdotal stories about people you know, or heard from other people about misinformation do not necessarily make it true for everyone.

Contrary to what you may think, MS didn't make all those policies because of piracy, MS was trying to control was the used/rental game market. And for many people, that is a critical feature of physical discs. It would seem that being able to resell the disc or loan it out as a person sees fit trumps "cloud gaming" and the features rolled into it.

I am happy that MS backtracked on their stance about resale and always on. And now the Xbone is back to a buying consideration for me.

FortuneLSX-TT

Whether the features are revolutionary or not, the one thing I do know is that Microsoft's response to consumers was poorly handled. Personally, I don't care how much better the system is or is not. I will not give up my money to a company that treats its customers the way that Microsoft did. From the deal with it guy, to the oh we have a product for you people who can't afford the Xbox1 or don't have Internet, it is the 360. Consumers can be as pig headed as they want, they are your customers and should be treated with respect. Because, in the end customers will "deal with it" and buy your competitor's products and not your old 360. So to sum it all up as Sony capitalized on the consumer's stupidity is a bit insulting. Had Microsoft educated the consumer, and not treated them badly, then there would have been nothing for Sony to capitalize on. Sony did what any good company would do, they listened to the consumer and gave them what they wanted. They did not try to tell the consumer what they should be doing, and get mad at the consumer for not agreeing with them.

From my understanding, the PS4 uses only about a GB of its ram compared to the Xbox1's 3GB of ram used for the OS. So that leaves the PS4 with 2 extra GBs of faster ram. As for cloud computing, considering that the Xbox1 no longer requires an Internet connection that feature may be dead in the water. You have to make your games for the lowest common denominator (i.e. those with no Internet connection now). So I'm not exactly sure if cloud computing can be used to position the Xbox1 as significantly better hardware wise compared the PS4.

As for the integration features of the Xbox1, no thanks. I'm sure they'll all be tied to having an Xbox Gold membership like the 360 is. As for the Kinect, no thanks. These are just my personal opinions of course. Some people may not care about spending the money for an Xbox Gold membership, and they may love the Kinect. The point is they don't work for me, but that doesn't make me "pig-headed". Fortunately for me, Sony offers a competing product and offers the consumer a choice. I don't want to have to pay Microsoft 15 bucks a month to stream videos through their Xbox. I have countless other products that allow me to do that for free.

Prior to their reversal, I wouldn't have even considered an Xbox1. I probably still won't get one. It is a possibility now though, but none of their exclusives really do it for me. If that changes in the future and the price is right, then maybe. Time will also tell if any games really take advantage of the Kinect aside from dancing around.

Either way, wish everyone the best of luck on their chosen next gen console. Both should provide tons of quality entertainment.

RoshDawg

Hey Mr&Mrs, can you elaborate on what you know about this point?

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Mr&Mrs

Its true I posted links to the spec sheets. Microsoft needing 3gigs of RAM for their OS is understandable. They are running quite a bit of background capabilities with it. The PS4 will be doing some of the same but 1gig for the OS seems to me cutting it tight even if it is DDR5. They would have been better off with using 2gigs I would think.

Here are some technical details:

The Xbox One has an 8-core AMD CPU with 8GB of DDR3 RAM, and Gigabit Ethernet. The latest leaks suggest that the Xbox One will have an 8-core 64-bit x86 Jaguar AMD CPU @ 1.6GHz, coupled with a GPU that’s very close to the Radeon HD 7790. The Xbox One will have 68GB/sec of bandwidth between the CPU/GPU and RAM, the GPU will have 102GB/s of bandwidth to a local 32MB SRAM cache, and another 30GB/s of bandwidth to gamepads, Kinect, and other peripherals.

The PS4 has an 8-core Jaguar AMD CPU, with a GPU similar to the Radeon 7870. The PS4 has 8GB of GDDR5 RAM, providing 176GB/s of bandwidth to both the CPU and GPU.

The Xbox One mostly makes up this difference with 32MB of high-speed SRAM on the GPU, but it will be a little more difficult to develop for.

As I mentioned before comparing these things do not really mean that much to me personally. Developers are not going to spend the extra resources to make a game that much better on another platform. If it is PS4 only game yes it may have a little better graphics i.e snow/rain falling than the Xbox One.

Both systems are very similar and like I said before just skin the cat in a different way. Microsoft was ready to take us to the next level and it was not accepted obviously. We now have to wait and see what they can do with the cloud like Fortune mentioned. Like I said before people are going to get what they asked for.

@ Fortune

It is very easy to cause a snowball effect with the media and peoples reactions. I took Microsoft's answers exactly how it should have been taken. If you do not have internet get an Xbox 360. What else do you want them to say? Did they say it in a Care Bear cute cuddly way? No. The people that were in those positions should be punished.

My comment about the public's stupidity was meant to be a little offensive. I was stupid too until I started to research which was my point. Im sorry if I hurt your feelings. I wasnt going to jump on the hate wagon until I knew details, and guess what? They were pretty far off from the truth. So ya thats stupid to me that people can just go on what they hear without any proof.

Im honestly ticked off that Microsoft changed directions. I was ready for the next revolution in gaming, not just a game that looks more realistic on my TV. I hope they can still use the cloud power how it was anticipated. It sure would have been nice to share my games with friends and family as well without the worry of them ruining my disc or losing it.

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SS_Firehawk

Speaking of PC rigs, my 560ti's are long in the tooth. So is my 1366 board... Just can't get myself to give up on my 980X just yet though!

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I will get a Xbox one but I will not get it on release I will wait a few months and let Microsoft work out all the little bugs.

I made the mistake and got the Xbox 360 on release. The first got 3 rings of death, 2nd= 3 rings of death, and 3rd has lasted the last 7 years. It def sounds like it is on its last leg tho. Hopefully Microsoft does not do like they when they first released the 360 and offer some shitastic warranty and just stick with the 1 year.

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RoshDawg

Holy crap I wish we could re do the poll with these new Xbox policies. That was huge. I never thought such a huge corporation would actually change their stance. They allow MORE freedom to do as you please than the PS4 it seems.

$100 more and you get Kinect 2 with it? How are ppl complaining about that? This is a system you'll have (and for Xbox One's case use even after you're over console gaming with its tv integration) for so long. Ppl dish out $500 every year for new cell phones. That's the price of a new game and controller! And if you get the PS4 camera (which is vastly inferior) it's a $50 difference. Get over it!

Their specs a nearly identical, with Xbox One having the edge in cloud based gaming, which puts the load on servers instead of your Xbox.

They're both cool systems. Neither one destroys the other (unless you want entertainment integration).

I missed the console war drama. I hope it's always like this every 7ish years.

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