I'm pissed now that I didn't buy a lower or two during a sale a few months ago. I wanted to build one into a pistol and another to 20"

NRA's presser is at 10:45 AM EST. We'll see how they're going to approach all of this.

Summary:

• Blame media for glorifying violence
• Blame violent video games
• Demand armed security in all schools
• Calls on Congress to get armed security in all schools by January
• Blame media for misinformation on semi-automatics, .223 round
• Don't deny Americans right to protect themselves
• etc

Some good points, but to non gun people Wayne probably just looked like some right wing wacko. Media will have a field day with this IMO.

Outlining some school security stuff right now.

Doesn't seem like they are going to be giving an inch on our rights. But like I said the media is going to have a field day on this. Crazy white guys... ban all guns!

Watched it. Good points!

The problem is there's no way to call it like it is without looking like a nut in sound bytes, unfortunately.
In my mind, this recent shooting was 100% a parental failure. There are no implementable "gun control" laws that would have prevented this recent tragedy.
The guns were purchased far in advance, likely by his parents. The better mental health controls everyone clamored for after the VT incident likely wouldn't have helped, since he wasn't even procuring the weapons himself (to my knowledge).

What sort of control law do you plan to enact that comes into everyone's house and takes away every 40 year old woman's handgun? Better care for folks that are emotionally imbalanced is critical in order to prevent these attacks, but that's difficult to do without infringing on rights. While it might help in some cases to actually screen the purchaser, I think it is more important to tack on liability (criminal and civil) to those who provides weapons to the mentally unstable....similar to how we treat providing weapons to felons.

NRA would have been better off outright discussing gun control, why it doesn't work, and why it won't work. Present facts and statistics to support their argument. State that they will defend 2nd amendment rights. Then maybe they could go into some school security discussion.

Instead it's just going to seem like crazy white guys saying, "moar gunz!"

The NRA has been lazy for a long time, but it seems to have worked OK.

Yep thats sums up my thoughts. Well said.

To add to that. Gun laws dont really apply to those looking to commit a crime. Further regulation will only hurt honest citizens. Drugs are illegal yet people find a way to get them anyway.

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The more I think about it the more I feel like the press conference today was a complete failure and more than likely weakens any future NRA effort to combat gun control legislation.

At the core of the press conference the NRA did two things:

1) They completely ignored the debate over gun control which is swallowing the nation whole at the moment

2) They attempted to deflect to and place the blame on a lack of school security using the incredibly unrealistic idea of having qualified, armed guards in schools.

Given the number of schools in the US (something on the order of 130k+) there is no way every locality will be able to afford qualified, armed security personnel for schools. I think this is an idea that will broadly be laughed at and torn apart by most. It's unfeasible.

The real issue at hand is gun control. Specifically, that gun control DOES NOT work.

The NRA should have taken this time to address the debate at hand and lay out the facts. Gun control doesn't work. It hasn't worked. And it will never work.

And explain WHY.

Explain that the vast majority (99.9999%) of gun owners are LAW ABIDING CITIZENS that only want to be able to 1) enjoy a Constitutional right, 2) engage in lawful sporting activity, and 3) have a means to defend themselves and their families.

Explain that only a small percentage (less than 5%) of firearms used in crimes were purchased legally.

Explain that a semi-automatic AR-15 "assault rifle" is no more dangerous than a standard hunting rifle or handgun, and that those that choose to inflict mass damage on soft targets would be able to do so with ANY weapon.

Explain that the Sandy Hook shooting likely would not have occurred had Nancy Lanza secured her weapons in safes so that her son could not access them.

The NRA should have urged Federal lawmakers to ensure that our EXISTING gun laws are properly enforced.

The NRA should have spent a little more time discussing mental health, and that if our mental health system was not broken (And properly integrated with background check databases) that firearms likely would not have been sold to Cho or the Aurora shooter among others.

This was a prime time for the NRA to lay out the unarguable fact that, statistically, legally purchased guns are safe and law-abiding gun owners are no threat to society.

Instead, they blew it by wasting a lot of time on a useless plan. They would have been better off staying quiet.

Yeah. What Stevie said. Like I argued with some, the government is addressing the immediate, without actually solving the cote problem.

Trying to find an AR in California right now is worse than a needle in a haystack. Everybody snapped one up when they could.

It is important to remember that the NRA isn't actually a gun rights group.

True. GOA is a gun rights group.

Pick me up a Sig 1911 traditional. Cannot wait to fire some rounds with it.

1911 Traditional Reverse Two-Tone

If I wasn't in the middle of buying a house i would be lined up for one right now.

Someone want to explain this?

AR15's may be scarce in Cal but are as common in Kentucky as missing front teeth. Fun range rifle. The bullet will drill a hole through 1/4" plate steel. Also used as a hunting rifle. Deadly accurate.

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This is ******* ridiculous. I have gone to EVERY SINGLE gun store in my city and not ONE of them has a SINGLE rifle in stock!! What is this? Its like something out of a movie! Bullet prices are retarded!!! Something IS going down. And its above our pay grade to figure what the ultimate outcome will be.

I've searched high and low for magazines! The local store would only sell me one with an AR

AR15's, components and accessories have been in short supply for months. Now, they are simply unavailable. Right now, magazines are going to be impossible, and even if you do find some, expect to pay $30 and up. Ammo...likewise impossible.

Gunbroker is just unbelievable.


Our only hope is santa
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Yeah good luck getting anything.

I regret not buying a few extra receivers and dozens of pmags a few months ago. I could probably undercut a lot of people selling pmags at $50 pop and still make a killing. Stripped receivers are going for 5-10x their normal prices. Insane.

Ammo... I am waiting on a shipment of some 9mm. Conserving everything else.

Anyone get any cool gun stuff for Christmas?

Was gifted an aR15 survival parts kit, shooting gloves and a galco kingtuk for the ruger lcp

Nah, no gun stuff for me.

Picking up a benelli super black eagle 2 tomorrow!

I have 30 brand new C products mags in bags never opened.:stirthepot:

I picked up some surplus 1911 mags w/ pouches. nothing fancy. finances this year have been rough.

Impossible. Non-registered part? No. It would be just like the AWB '94. No NEW mags would be available. We could keep what we have, because rounding them up? No way.

That's why I like a lot of the polymer mags, in addition to performance, they have handy date-codes.

My FFL charges $10 per transfer. I'm down with that. The problem is that this is the government trying to regulate non-livelihood private commerce, and that is unacceptable to me.

Anti-gunners/anti-AW proponents are just not running on all cylinders. I had a conversation with a young-20's female co-worker the other day. Takeaway points:

-Ar15 is overkill (How? It's more terminally effective? Would you like to pick the tool LEAST likely to protect you?Wtf?)
-Firearms make me nervous because I don't know how to use them. Then learn to use them before talking about how they work, and especially before you might need to use one.
-I have a baby so I would like a firearm in my house because it would make me feel safer. It's a tool, not a talisman.
-Pistols are easier to use than rifles. I promise you, they are not.


Responses in red. People like her vote. THAT is the problem. They don't have a damn clue yet they are legally able to make decisions that affect others. In my line of work, that's called "outside of your scope of practice".

Unfortunately that's what the anti-gun politicians are counting on.

You mean they actually think there are more stupid people driven by emotion than intelligent people bent on using logical thought process? MADNESS!

Hi everyone,
Since I don't allow political posts in my forum, please don't post any political post here in this thread. I really don't want to close this thread. You guys can keep it on topic by discussing :~ discussion about what guns you have or trying to get, your gun pics, how to clean them, rating/reviews on guns etc. Please refrain from posting any political post(s) related to guns. Just a friendly warning. I rather not close a 67 page thread over some political posts.

Thank you! :tup:

AK

Sorry AK. We'll keep our political spin out of it when we talk about the laws.

Is it okay to discuss the current press related to this topic? As we do with car reviews and vehicular press? I ask in regards to how a newspaper published the names and addresses of gun owners in three counties in New York in an article by Dwight Worley?


Also, if anybody is still interested in my burlwood crimson trace lasertrips for 1911. They are still for sale :)

Heres my first AR build.
I got super lucky and my gfs parents got me a spikes zombie lower a few months back for a xmas present before **** literally tripled in price. My Buffer and lower kits are on the way as well as a lucid hd7 scope.

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Very nice!

Has anyone attempted to go out and get any Ammo:confused:

I have and it is not pretty:shakes head:

Every WalMart shelf is empty basically, although I've gotten lucky and scooped a couple 100 rds of 40s&w and 100rds of 380acp and less than 200 rds of 223

The 9mm ammo has been thus far the thorn in my side, primarily because it is my target model and the one I use to teach with at the range.

I paid $55 for 100rds of FMJ where I typically pay $30 :eek:

I been fortunate to find inexpensive ammo. The only thing that truly hit me over the head was 6.8 110 gr otm ammo, $180 for 200 rounds. I previously had bought 1000 rounds of OTM 7.62x39 for $243. AKM's are definitely more cost effective than AR's. Pistol ammo hasnt been affected here as much in Tx. Pistol sales have increased but not to the point of lunacy as with military style rifles.