Originally Posted by MacCool (Post 2056740)

No. Actually it depends very little on the ammo. It depends mostly on the ability of the shooter to consistently get rounds on target.

Many people like to obsess over their ammo choice, yet pay little attention to their training and practice. I would much rather put my life in the hands of a well-trained shooter shooting M193 than a casual weekend plinker shooting the most magical self-defense bullet on the market.

I see a lot of people on this forum with some really great hardware. They describe it well and lovingly post pictures of it here for all of us to drool over. I rarely see anyone here post their experience at their recent defensive carbine training course.

The hardware, ammo included is important. The ability to use that hardware effectively is infinitely more important. Before spending much mental effort on which ammo you're going to use in your defensive carbine, I think it's most wise to realistically evaluate your ability to shoot effectively in those scenarios that go beyond punching paper or plinking at tin cans. Go buy 5,000 rounds of .223 and shoot it over the next year. Take at least one defensive carbine course. THEN let's have the discussion about which ammo will kill a human best. Until then, save your money. You're going to be far more likely to just put a lot of expensive ammo past your attacker's 10-ring.

Originally Posted by wstar (Post 2056428)

unloads a clip

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2062006)

I think I'm going to stock up on some more 9mm and 5.56.

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2063754)

I'm glad I already got my BCM. I am good on mags I could just use some extra ammunition to store.

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2062006)

I think I'm going to stock up on some more 9mm and 5.56.

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2063805)

My LATE christmas present will be. :excited:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...GVKIiB6dtwduNA

This will be my new b*tch, lucky number 12 :) I will buy the 6.8 barrel and bolt when they be come available. Hopefully I will also find a.300 blkout barrel that will fit this platform????

Will be ordering mags, ammo and such in advance. ALL future car mods on hold till next year. Arsenal must be fed.

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2065044)

If you want to depend on it for anything other than plinking I would stay away from Bushmaster. They aren't exactly a leader in quality or reliability, and I'm not really sure how well these composite ARs run.

For not too much money you can get into an entry level Colt, BCM, Daniel Defense, Spikes Tactical, etc. that you can put through hell if need be.

Originally Posted by italy3541 (Post 2065466)

thanks, i will look into the ones you mentioned...

Originally Posted by tvfreakazoid (Post 2065025)

I"ve read about the bear AR rifles. Interesting where they put the charging handle. I read in m4carbines that there were some horrible customer service issues and issues with the rifle as well.
I was looking into it but what i read made me not to buy one. This was last year and hopefully they might of solved their issues.

Please let me know how it works out for you. I'm really curious. :tup:

Originally Posted by italy3541 (Post 2065026)

quick question, i want to get a bushmaster carbon 15 5.56/.223. does anyone know if its a good gun? i already have a ruger SR9C for cc. i want to get a rifel before obama bans them or whatever is gonna happen.. any input would be great...

Originally Posted by OMGiGOTaZ (Post 2066256)

Interesting article I found tonight... :eek:

Obama backs new assault weapons ban

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2066271)

Of course he does. Things are going to get interesting for us over the next few months.

Because of the Republican house we're probably fairly safe in that they won't allow an AWB to pass. I'm more concerned about what the White House will do administratively. How much can they get away with via executive order? Could the EPA hit us with lead ammo regulation? Who knows.

Originally Posted by italy3541 (Post 2065026)

quick question, i want to get a bushmaster carbon 15 5.56/.223. does anyone know if its a good gun? i already have a ruger SR9C for cc. i want to get a rifel before obama bans them or whatever is gonna happen.. any input would be great...

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2066271)

Of course he does. Things are going to get interesting for us over the next few months.

Because of the Republican house we're probably fairly safe in that they won't allow an AWB to pass. I'm more concerned about what the White House will do administratively. How much can they get away with via executive order? Could the EPA hit us with lead ammo regulation? Who knows.

Originally Posted by BlackZeda (Post 2066457)

I have a relatively higher opinion of Bushmasters, but I wouldn't buy one that wasn't manufactured in Windham, Maine and I would especially stay away from the carbon lowers.

If you want to go with the standard in ARs, I would also recommend Colt.

Originally Posted by italy3541 (Post 2066901)

i decided to go with S&W M&P sport AR-15.. it had good reviews and shoots both the .223 and the 5.56 nato... just waiting for cabelas to have them back in stock.. almost every gun store i called was out of stok of AR'S and the ones they had left were over $2000. so i hope cabelas gets some in before this ban happens...

Originally Posted by MacCool (Post 2066962)

In this environment, the consumer-grade ARs like the S&W's, Bushmasters, and RRA's are going to be hard or impossible to find.

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2067079)

We're going to get our first idea of what they plan on shoving down our throats at 11:45 AM.

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2067103)

WH press conference outlining the beginning of their policy discussion on gun control.