Try to catch it. But getting late in Iraq.

Sounds like AWB + magazine restrictions being proposed next month.

Yeap. :shakes head:

I did note that Obama's exhortation on gun control focused on the sale of "assault" weapons and "high capacity" magazines. One other aspect worth noting is the concept of a Washington Task Force. I wonder how long it will take to get that organized enough to be effective. I'm sure this issue has juice right now. It will be interesting to see what happens as we pass beyond what is traditionally Americans' typically short attention span.

Well he did mention that this commission should provide recommendations before January 1, which he will heavily support. So my guess he's trying to be as quick and forceful about this as he can.

The NRA has already had to cave. Instead of outright opposing any new legislation they said they will work to support meaningful efforts to prevent violence... In other words they are trying to choose the bat with which they get beat.

If only every active gun owner in the US was a member of the NRA. We'd have some real clout. But at only 4 million strong there's a lot of bark but not much bite, IMO.

On the legislation front we may be saved by a Republican House... but it's still going to be tough.

Obama demands 'concrete proposals' on gun violence by January - First Read


Looks like we are going to move pretty fast on this!

Looks like he's going to try to move pretty fast on this.

The best thing that could happen at this point is to go over the fiscal cliff, which will deflect a lot of attention off of firearms and back to the economy and ongoing political dysfunction.

Dont know if its already been discussed, but just checked the price of 30rd p-mags they have gonna up by 300%. Cheaperthandirt lists them as out of stock for $11.99, but links to another set of p-mags for $30. Absolutely ridiculous.

Gauging prices really sucks.
Be ready amercia, cali like restrictions r coming your way in the near future.

Hell i'm already use to it. Let's hope they dont ban AR style rifles.

magazines. thats what they are going to focus on....and win :(

I don't know if any legislation would pass right now. But yes I bet they will try to limit magazines to 10 rounds and make it illegal to possess anything bigger than that. Wed have to turn in all our mags to the police.

Forced lower capacity is a great excuse to move to a larger round. like the .308 win/7.62 nato

Hopefully they will only apply it to rifles. Because doublestacked handguns.

I highly doubt they'll make us turn anything in. The Libs know better than that. But as far as purchasing after a certain date... I can see that being passed. :shakes head:

A few states limit handgun capacity already.

My guesses are proposed legislation will attempt to:

• Require background checks on ALL purchases (i.e. ban private party sales)
• Ban "Assault Rifles," potentially with no grandfathering.
• Limit magazine capacity for all semi-auto firearms to 10 rounds with no grandfathering of existing "hi cap" mags
• Heavily restrict transport outside the home... no concealed carry?

The last one... maybe not. But I think the AR ban, closing the "gun show loophole," and limiting magazine capacity.

Of course they'll completely overlook the real problem, which is mental health.

I don't necessarily have a problem with requiring an FFL to broker private party sales as long as there is a reasonable maximum brokerage fee that they can charge. This would prevent law abiding gun owners from unknowingly selling to criminals.

I think mental health records should be better integrated in the background check process. It could help prevent future VT and Aurora type events where the shooter had a clear mental health issue that should have made them ineligible for firearm ownership.

We might get some really wacky ideas too... like banning the .223/5.56 round. Apparently this idea has been thrown around by the Violence Policy Center. Show's how much they know about firearms. I'm quite sure my 7mm Mauser is more powerful. :|

Also, we'll most certainly get some sort of ammo restrictions...

Online sales ban?

Sales only through FFL with background check?

Purchases over a certain number of rounds reported to government?

They'll never be able to get ALL of America to turn in the weapons. Won't happen.

HA!!!! From my cold dead hands Bruh... My cold dead hands! :nutswinger:

i have para ordnance mags that cost $50 each, Beretta & CZ ext. mags that cost $250 worth of AR and AK mags combined. I ain't givin' the police nothing. I'd rather destroy them myself if it came down to it.

FASCISM @ it's best. Make people spend thousands on legal gun parts for a decade. Then make it illegal and confiscate those parts because the gov't failed to enforce the mental health area of the 4473 and because some gun owners choose not to keep there guns locked away safely in a armored heat-proof safe, away from there psychotic relatives and offspring???

Not only is it fASCIST. It's downright illogical and moronic. No country has the capability of defending it self from an organized foreign army, as we do here in the U.S. of A. Land of the free, home of the brave.

Now some athiest, crybaby who's scared of school prayer and the redneck next door that likes to go hunting every fall, has to lobby against there own personal fears. And DEMOCRATS are always there to enforce control.

We fight so hard to prevent a socialized healthcare system cuz it doesnt envoke "FREEDOM" But the patriot act and gun control are the two potential laws that made us a fascist society. I'll take socialism over facsism any day.

Enforce the mental health area of the 4473.
Either get armed security for schools or Find and train, 4 candidate teachers per school with a gun and law enforcement tactical training, in order to protect the building. Give them a $12,000 bonus for taking the initiative. This is something that can be adopted in malls, Theaters, and other public arenas.

The Tragedy in CT is heartbreaking. But it's a COMMUNITY issue NOT a NATIONAL issue, and definitely NOTa GUN CONTROL issue in terms of bans. Just enforce the mental health area of the 4473, Maybe we need a gun-safe mandate for muliple gun-owners. Thats it!!!

Since when did gov't care what the root cause is? They don't want armed resistance citizens.

Lots of people say they'll never give their guns up... but I bet the percentage of owners that would "put up a fight" is so minuscule it's a non issue.

But what will pass?

I don't think anything will pass at this time.

I'm all for gun control when it means... Use both hands.:tup:

May i add. We sell $4 billion in guns annually which the news says that though it helps our economy, its no ipod/iphone in terms of stimulation, which produces 10x more money. But they didn't add in the constant purchases of ammo, events, and associated equip we buy along with those guns. Because people buy guns, they also buy more survival gear, clothing and accessories. The purchase of a gun stimulates the idea to embrace survivalism which increases sporting goods sales dramatically. If you add up that business with the gun business, i'm sure it equals the iphone market. They downplay this gun control issue a lot. The economy is going to feel it when 60% of all guns on the market becomes illegal. The trickle down will be a loss of interest in survivalism, which will probably lose $30,000,000,000+ from the american economy annually. Also, sporting goods stores wont need as many salesman. You'd see a third of sporting good sales jobs lost. Iphone better double sales so those sporting good salesguys can sell phones now.

Nice work Fascist America. You're about to further destroy, whats left the american economy.

:icon18: You make a great point! Let's look at Store's Like Gander Mountain, Cabelas, Bass Pro Shops, and all the Mom and Pop Shops in between. Your going to need to create A LOT more jobs now becuase many of these will all be gone!

yup... and sales is just one aspect. Much fewer trucks will be needed to ship so many guns, postal service will lose a percentage of shipping, FFL holders will lose there share in transfer fee money, mom and pop gun shops will close due to a lack of demand. Lets face it. AR/AK rifles are the cornerstone of the american gun market. Without these, things will change. The only increase in gun sales we'll see is in 1911 pistols and revolvers due to them being of legal capacity. It will also reduce firearms research. Most of the advancements in military rifles have come from ideas that sportsmen on the hunt or in 3G comps have invented in this past decades. It's us civilian sportsmen that make better military rifles. Not military research guys. Military guys make bombs. It makes no sense...
Newer guns are modular and we can personalize them. I'm sure that market will dissipate as well.

There are too many ar-15 style rifles and high capacity mags out there for a ban to be effective now, IMO. I assume most people who are for AWB are the ones who have no firearms experience or were taught guns are bad at a very early age.

These are people that think an AR type weapon is more deadly against UNARMED targets than any other type of weapon. A Ruger 10/22 could be just as deadly against a group of elementary school kids for crying out loud.

Regardless, people that want the AWB generally think ALL guns are evil, not just AR types. They view an AWB as a start to a total ban... which it is, when you think about it.

A good majority also come home from the service to carry on regular jobs but still enjoy owning a Military style Rifle to take to the range along with their pistol or bolt action rifle.

Agreed! To think someone can't attach a 100rd drum to a glock and be just effective is silly. The AWB could essentially make anything like this an Assault weapon leaving the door open to take away all guns.

Guns for the most of us are a defensive weapon or a tool to fill your table or freezer with food or maybe simply a hobby. Anyone who has taken a gun class hopefully was taught where you can't have a gun. Places that restrict our ability to use our defensive weapons is exactly where these people like to strike. :shakes head:

I am just tired of the blame the gun mentality. The vast majority of gun owners are law abiding citizens that pose no threat to anyone. They own guns for sport, hunting, personal protection, etc. Doesn't really matter WHY they have them. It's a right.

We could do so much more to prevent gun violence (and violence in general) by actually enforcing existing laws and by focusing energy on the root causes of violence be it mental health issues or poverty/socioeconomic distress.

The very people our legislature wants to target (us... the law abiding gun owner) are NOT the problem.

"AN ARMED SOCIETY IS A POLITE SOCIETY". I learned that fast moving from a city(New York) where people are held hostage by criminals and have no civilian gun rights. Versus a city that everyone and grandma pack heat. (Texas) As much as criminals love pointing guns at people, They are the ones most scared of guns being pointed back at them.

It's sad that half of New Yorkers doing time for carrying guns are just honest citizens who just know that NY is just too dangerous NOT to have one on you. So they take the chance and literally "bite the bullet when caught". What kind of option is that?

You can't even own a taser in NYC and get harrassed for having a lockblade in a case, sometimes confiscated. When you're mugged or jumped. The police show up 30 min later and very unintersted in the crime committed against you. They only care about drug busts and tickets. So assault crimes and robbery often go unsolved. Hoodies keep the criminals faces from being seen on cameras so, there goes that.

So whats the answer in NYC.

PS NY police are under investigation after hard evidence has been found that they are manipulating crime statistics to prove crime is doing down. We can't even trust statistics

The last AWB was so freaking stupid, but it doesn't suprise me that idiot politicians want to reinstate it. Our government is so retarded right now that it is no wonder that people want to arm themselves. It is so selfish and shortsighted to deny a person the maximum (reasonable) ability to defend themselves and their family. I am not prepper, but I definitely see a few realistic scenarios where one would need an assault rifle. It definitely is not my goto weapon for home defense, but like a fire extinguisher I am glad I have a couple on-hand.

With that said I think I might pick up that H&K P2000 9mm I have had my eye on and order a couple extra high capacity mags today.

For perspective:

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This doesn't take into account 1 million deaths annually from preventable heart disease, nor the 350,000 deaths annually from obesity and it's co-morbidities, also largely preventable.


In other news: Eric Holder in an interview about an hour ago suggested that pursuing gun control via Executive Order is a route that he and Obama are considering.

Eric Holder: executive orders on gun control? | WashingtonExaminer.com


One suggested approach that has been gaining traction around Washington is an Executive Order directing that all "assault weapons" would be made to fall under the National Firearms Act of 1934. Personally, I've already been moving in that direction by submitting Form 1's for an 11.5 SBR on a receiver I've had sitting around and doing the same for the receiver of my 16 inch Noveske. I probably won't actually put a short barrel on either, but once registered all I'd have to do is slap an 11.5 inch upper on any of them.

I figured as much.

I wonder what that would mean for existing, non-NFA registered weapons. Would we have to give up possession of our (now) NFA items while we wait years for a dozen ATF agents to process a bazillion forms?

:iagree:

My primary HD's are a parausa1911 .45acp and a mossberg 500a cruiser shotgun. My assault rifles are for sport, hobby tinkering and the very low chance of jic-shtf. It is our right carry to possess for all reasons above.

Oh Shyt. 25,000 unintentional falls. Lets make a Walking/Standing Ban!!!!:ugh2:

Holy crap! I just went to my local gun store to purchase the H&K P2000 to see that their entire stock of AR-15's and 30rd PMAGs have been wiped out. The fact that they probably had hundreds of them on the racks makes that remarkable. There is a 4 day wait for the background check whereas it took about 30 minutes a few weeks ago.

I have to say that there were about 5 guys looking at their last AR which was a S&W performance center version. I would say that all 5 of them probably were people that had no business owning an AR and would otherwise never be interesting in owning one.

Nice job moronic politicians :ugh2:

My bro-in-law just called me telling me he bought an AK pistol today, it was the last one and they don't know how long it will take to replenish. Firearms makers are screwed with being overworked. I hope quality control doesn't suffer?

I anticipated this when our King Obama started yapping his trap after the Aurora theater shooting. It was then I made my move to buy my second AR. For the reason you just stated I think it was a good idea.

I just placed an order for a couple high capacity magazines for my new pistol. It was suprising that they were available.

When I was waiting for a sales guy at the gun store a couple came in and were eyeballing the P2000 that I was going to buy. When they pulled it from the case they seemed bummed I was buying it. I kinda feel bad for them...thanks again butthole politicians.