Bushnell makes some good inexpensive optics.

Thanks for the replies guys, it's just for home defense and plinking, so it doesn't need to be too fancy.

Funny thing is there won't be a second term.

There'd better not be! :facepalm:

Consider the following:

- Doctors consider the presence of guns in a house to be a health risk
- Obamacare is an attempt to create total dependance on the government for our healthcare

With that being said I expect after private healthcare is eliminated that there will be a regulation created that bars gun owners from utilizing the government healthcare system. Of course criminals don't give a wit about either healthcare or legal gun ownership. Also this doesn't technically violate the 2nd amendment either.

Why stop there? I am sure that cars over a certain horsepower will be declared a health risk as well.

I don't consider myself to be a conspiricy theorist, I am just surmising based on the abhorant behavior of our politicians.

I took my son for his check up at 1yr 8months and one of the questions was, "Are firearms present in the house". Due to my job, of course, there are lots of guns lol. So I checked yes. And then for then next 5min I was drilled by the Doc on where they are stored, if they are accessible, who knows the combos, how often are they taken out, are they left out, and on and on and on.

Your doctor works for you. You hire him in the same way you hire a plumber. You're under no obligation to answer any question your doctor puts to you. I would have left that question blank or written "none of your business".

I take the opposite approach: Doctors are being told to ask these questions because their profession has as a whole has been indoctrinated into the anti-gun camp. If we all shut up and say nothing, nothing changes. If we all speak up and say "Yes, we own guns, and we care about safety", it's harder for doctors to ignore the statistics: that child gun accidents are an extreme rarity and responsible gun ownership isn't a statistically significant factor in child safety. That doesn't mean you have to give a detailed analysis of every minor safety measure to doc, but at least give him something short and truthful: Yes, we're a gun-owning household, and yes, we take care to ensure the environment is safe for children. Maybe if you know the doc well (and you should know your childrens' doc well) and you know he's not a crazy anti-gun nut, you might even discuss the details in depth with him and learn something you didn't know that might help you to be safer. That is their ultimate goal, even if they're sometimes misguided in accomplishing it: to make children's lives safer.

But where does one draw the line? If we say it's acceptable for doctors to drill us with questions regarding private gun ownership and storage etc. under the guise of concern for child safety, next they'll be grilling us about owning sports cars. You actually go to track days and/or autocross events? Details please. Or maybe a better example would involve questions about our sex lives. Can you imagine being drilled by your doctor on whether you and your wife ever use restraints or whips? If so, are those safely locked away so that the children can't accidentally use them and hurt themselves? Where are they stored? Who knows the combos? How often are your sex toys taken out? Do you ever leave them unattended in the dishwasher? What about porn? Do you have a porn collection? Where is it stored? Do you ever leave adult DVDs in the DVD player? And what kind of porn do you watch? Do you watch any porn that portrays violence that your kids could stumble upon? Any midget porn? Any rape videos? What about fisting? Bestiality? Hot Carls? Do you own a Humiliator? Do you own a RealDoll? If so do you keep it locked away or does it sit at the dinner table with the rest of the family? Do you keep porn files on your computer? Is this a shared computer that your kids sometimes use? Mind bringing it in so we can run an audit of your browser history? Do you let your kids watch Michael Jackson videos or listen to his music? Etc. Etc.

I contend that it well outside a doctor's job description to ask about a lifestyle issue that is already statutorily covered. There are already laws on the books in most states regarding gun ownership, use, and storage. My possession, use, or storage of my firearms is none of my doctor's business, no matter who or what agency has "suggested" that he ask about them. His job, the job I hire him to do, is advise me on my health care. Where I store my guns and how I use them are law enforcement issues, not health care issues. If anyone wants to know what role firearms play in my life...they can send a deputy to my house with a warrant, if they can find probable cause.

For clarification...I am a physician.

Finally got my gun after 7 months

:tup:

To this (and semtex above): I agree that doctors shouldn't have a *right* to grill you on personal details. But I think being silent and/or hostile when they ask about guns hurts rather than helps us. You can be truthful without going into warrantless detail or being hostile, and it helps shape the statistics in the doctor's mind back in our favor.

As for all the rest of that lifestyle stuff: Again, I agree they don't have a *right* to know, but I'm also not fond of the idea that one should have to maintain a privacy barrier with one's physician. It's their job to be concerned about your health and safety, and you should be able to talk openly with them about anything and trust their confidentiality. When that trust breaks down, it negatively affects your standard of care.

I should welcome a conversation about my sex life with my doctor, or my driving habits. Maybe he just read a journal article about how SA-2005 rated helmets, while still allowed at many events, are *very* inferior for preventing certain types of injury compared to the SA-2010 standard and wants to let me know. Maybe he wants to let me in on the not-widely-known fact that using BDSM gear made of a certain type of rubber promotes skin infections. You get the idea...

If you don't trust your physician, find a new one, IMHO.

I think your position is quite reasonable. But have you considered that your physician may be just the "tip of the sword" in terms of where that information goes subsequent to your conversation with him? That's the aspect that worries me more than whatever personal biases my physician may have. There's a good chance that your responses to his (or her) interogatories are going to end up in some database somewhere, and you'll have no idea who's viewing it and for what purpose. It just so happens that I work in healthcare now. Specifically, I work in an area known as Data Governance. What data is it that my unit is governing? Personally identifiable data on everything from ER wait times to STDs to participation in high-risk behaviors (both sexual and non-sexual). Some of the information gathered in the databases I work with is blood-curdling. Well, I should say that it's potentially blood-curdling. You see, my job is to make sure it doesn't fall into the wrong hands. And my unit is also supposed to ensure that all personal identifiers are stripped out of the information before it is forwarded to statisticians for analytic purposes.

Question is, do you really want to place all your trust in a stranger like me to make sure that (a) your identity is properly cleansed from the records, and (b) the data doesn't ever fall into the wrong hands? Because I can tell you that your doctor isn't keeping your responses to himself. He's uploading them to regulatory agencies like mine. And I can also tell you that mistakes happen and breaches do occur. We're all human, after all.

Absolutely correct! The government is actively, rabidly, pushing widespread adoption and standarization of electronic health records. They increasingly mandate exactly the kind of data gathering mentioned above. Right now they're using mostly the carrot (do a google search on "meaningful use" and the associated reimbursement scheme), but it won't be long (about 3 yers) before they start using the stick. They want that information. They believe, especially the current adminstration, that something as important (read "expensive"), and as relevant to the governmental social agenda, as health care should not be left to being something just between the patient and his doctor.

That is a cool kit. What is that; a .45 S&W? It looks like some sort of special edition too.

Very nice!

No need to be hostile - the doctor is just doing what he/she thinks is most consistent good medical practice. But there is absolutely no need to answer either and I recommend leaving medical practitioners to the practice of medicine, societal reforms to the sociologists, and firearms issues to the county Sheriff.

Didnt think my comment would carry that much of a conversational topic lol. To be honest he is a great guy, and imo was just making sure my son was safe. Yea, it was kinda annoying to get all those questions. But also, hes just looking out for my son, and every other kid he has as a patient. Can't fault the guy for making sure everyone is safe. Excessive, but if it catches the one guy that isn't doing what he should be, then it was all worth it right?

How far would you carry that concept in doing your job?

haha got me there

Sorry I missed this. It is a S&W M&P chambered for .40S&W. It was a special purchase our unit did for our deployment. On one side it has Presidential Surge 2010-2011 engraved on it and on top it has our unit patch engraved just in front of the rear sight post. I will get some better pics up while I'm on vacation.

that's awesome...

Ahh, now that I look at it again, I see the S&W logo. Man, there are so many cool guns to choose from nowadays.

BTW, thanks for your service and your bravery!

Sorry for the obvious question but I just want to make sure I understand what "Presidential Surge 2010-2011" means because I didn't know that they produced specific special editions like that; is that commemorating the 15,000 troop surge in Afghanistan that President Obama authorized?

Well i finally got a G4 g19 and XDm competition bitone 45cal. I'll post pics of the family when i get a chance.

Nice!!!

Yep, it was a special thing our unit did, so there were only 58 made like that from what I found out when talking to them about what the delay in receiving the pistols was. Here is a link to the part of the site were you can find more about custom engraving: Commemoratives - Smith & Wesson

in for pics

That's pretty cool! I am handing in my Concealed Carry Weapon permit application tomorrow and have to decide on getting a new while I wait for it to go through. So many freaking options nowadays. I am definitely looking at S&W or Ruger hammerless .357 Magnum revolvers...lot's of power in such a reliable, compact package. S&W's are pricey!

Thanks for the info and enjoy!

Went to a gun store yesterday with a friend of mine and got to see and hold a H&K USC as well as a FNH PS-90 while he was picking up some things. Now that I have actually seen them in person, I really, really want to get them. I think I'll try for the H&K first then get the PS90 later. Then eventually get the stamp to make them SBRs legally.

Cutting those barrels down (chrome-lined) to make an SBR version of the USC and PS-90 and threading them for your muzzle device can be tricky business, I'm told - I'd sure want it done by a very experienced gunsmith. Likewise, the NFA engraving necessary for NFA registration is something you'd want done by someone like Orion Arms.

I wouldn't cut down a barrel, I would just buy the shorter barrel and keep the original one as a backup. either way it would cost quite a bit of money

I like blowing up propane tanks... that count? O_o

Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk

Sure thing!

Im a Glock fan, got the 26 & 27.

I heard a rumor that they are coming out with a civilian version of MP7 (which I believe you are firing in your avatar picture). If that were available would you be interested in that as well? I would think the ammo would be very espensive though.

The other day a friend of mine pulled out a Sig Sauer P556 Pistol and let me have at it....OMG, talk about fun! It definitely isn't as controled and precise as a SMG, but the "fear of God" factor is pretty high. It is so small too, so you wouldn't have to cut it down or get any special permits for it. I just thought I would throw it out there as I am now seeing owning one in my future.

I would probably not buy a civilian version of an mp7. I would imagine the ammo would be expensive as crap. While the USC is firing a 45acp, which would be much cheaper.

Do a thorough search on the various gun forums regarding the quality of construction of current model SIG guns. General consensus IMHO is that this is a bad time in history to buy a SIG firearm, but check it out for yourself.

http://www.google.com/search?q=sig+q...ient=firefox-a

Thanks for the heads-up on SIGs. The same day that I shot the P556 pistol there was a guy at the range that had just bought a Sig Sauer 1911 STX which he paid big bucks for and was very excited to shoot. Unfortunately the firing pic did not strike the primer enough for it to function...what a bummer. So with what I have seen on the forums and what happened there it does concern me.

I just submitted my concealed-carry permit application, so my next firearm will be something small...probably either a Glock auto-loader, or a S&W (or Ruger) snub-nose, hammerless revolver. I will be a lot more comfortable with any of those.

Thanks again!

My check to the BATF cleared, now just waiting for my tax-stamp for the FA556-212. Here is the host...

http://i44.tinypic.com/11m5f04.jpg
http://i40.tinypic.com/295pzed.jpg
http://i40.tinypic.com/25gbcoy.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/70hpb6.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/11b6jdi.jpg




Noveske complete N4 w/VIS/MUR (VLTOR) monolithic upper and Noveske Switchblock
LMT SOPMOD stock
M300A light
LaRue FUG
Geissele SSA trigger
TA44SG-10 ACOG
Noveske branded Troy BUIS
LaRue mounts for light/optic
Surefire 212a suppressor mount/FH
AWM 20 round magazines (filled with MK318 MOD 0 SOST)
BCM Gunfighter CH