Most of the folks I train with are all about recoil management. If you and your gun can handle the +P, then go for it. A quick way to test is to load a magazine with each type. Use a silhouette target and use a stop watch to record how long it takes you to empty the mag into the 5 ring (center mass) on the target. It's better to do this outdoors, as most indoor ranges won't allow you to draw from a holster and engage a target. If it takes longer to put the +P on target, then you have your answer. Hope this helps.

My weapon handles +P recoil very well. I hardly notice the difference tbo.

I switched from a .45 to a .357 SIG as my carry cannon. The primary reason was recoil management. I shoot the .45 real well, but sometimes it's a struggle to put rounds on target in 'high adrenaline' situations. The 1911 only holds 8 rounds, while the SIG has 15, so another advantage to the SIG. Yes I know there are double stack .45s out there, but I'm not a fan of Glock, primarily because of the trigger, my finger tends to get pinched when I shoot one.

Indeed. I was looking at a Glock in .45, but the full size one is too big to be comfortable my hand and the sub compact I felt was too small for such a round. The 9mm compact 19 was just right.

It's all about hitting the target. IMO if you can shoot the standard better than the +P then carry the standard. The +P only makes a difference if you hit the target properly. ;)

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It’s all about what works for you. Too many people get wrapped up in such and such uses this gun/round/technique, the forum say get this or do this, x brand is the only brand worth buying (cough, cough Glock fanboys :stirthepot:), this technique is the only one you should be using etc. Use and do what works well, the best for you. I have my opinions on calibers/guns/techniques/POUs and so does every one else but they are just my/their opinions so take them as such. I have found that some of the main stream/popular techniques just don’t work for me and/or just don’t make enough sense to me to use. Be open to new techniques and products but always go with what works for you. No point in using the latest and greatest if you can’t hit the target.

Amen. I trained with Col. Jeff Cooper at Gunsite a lifetime ago, and then it was '.45 or nothing'. I tried PPC & IPSC and realized I needed more training, I couldn't shoot for crap with someone standing over my shoulder.:icon14: The one thing I know for sure, you gotta keep training. It's just like physical fitness, the mental fitness and coordination of mind/body to put rounds on target when you need to, is a never-ending process. :)

I'm with ya. I rented several pistols from a variety of manufactures and the G19 felt like a natural extension for my hand. The best weapon is one that's proven reliable (I like Glock but there are many just as reliable) that you personally can use like a mo fo.

I'm not a Glock guy but IMO the G19 the best size of the Glock 9mm's. Even the SEALs think so too. :icon17: If you didn't know the SEALs replaced the SIG P229 with the G19.

Well I bent the truth a little. I'm a little bit of a Glock guy. :rolleyes:
I have a G20. 10mm :yum:

I've actually been toying with getting a 10mm for entertainment purposes.

I was on the waiting list for the Dornaus (?) & Dixon 10mm (the one Don Johnson used in Miami Vice) but got my money back when they decided not to mass produce them. BOOOO.... :p

IIRC, the only difference between the .40 & 10mm is that the 10 is a longer case, which in theory, would give it a little more muzzle velocity... TBH, I'm too lazy to look it up :rolleyes:

You are correct. Much more muzzle velocity.

...provided you get a full power 10mm load.

Take a look at the G40. The last time I check Glock was the only company making an affordable 10mm. The G40 has a longer slide than the G20 which will help with recoil and the G40 comes standard with that optics mount that Glock is now putting on some of their long slide pistols.

mos?

Yep. The 10mm OAL is similar to the 45ACP where as the 40S&W OAL is similar to the 9mm. But, remember the 10mm was first. The FBI wanted a lower power 10mm. S&W answer the call with the 40 S&W.

Booooo

When the 10mm first came out. I was going to get a Colt Delta Elite. But things happen and I didn't get it. :( Still want one.

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My back woods load is Buffalo Bore's 220grn hard cast flat nose load @ 1200fps. :icon14:

I just want a .500 S&W Magnum for my CCW.

Yep. Modular Optic System.

This size?

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Good luck hanging on to that in .500

I bet that thing would rip my hand off.

No kidding. The 40S&W is why a lot of the 10mm loads are underpowered. 10mm owners wanting 40S&W recoil. :shakes head:

Going to assassinate an elephant?
As one gun shop owner I know put it. :bowrofl:

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iPew

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Isn't that the gun all protectionist are freaking out over?

Idunno, but with only two .380 shots, you better be good.

No kidding but, two rounds of .380 are better than nothing. Does look like it has a laser or light.

At the sub $400 price point, it might be a good one to add to the safe collection as a novelty. I'm not sure how practical it will be. I guess a lot will depend on how easy it is to manipulate from 'phone' to 'gun'. If it can be done one-handed, great, otherwise a two-handed manipulation will probably not work real well. :twocents:

It might be a good CCW for those days you wear daisy dukes. :stirthepot:


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You know, I thought about this for a moment before I decided to reply. We always believe anything is better than nothing, right? But shouldn't that also be taken within a certain context?

For example: if you were faced with a scenario where you could actually help a situation by using force I think you'd want more than two little rounds that, if you **** up, makes you a primary target for retaliation. You have zero recourse after you fire. None. You can't follow up. You can't do anything.

This is an absolute emergency type of weapon where you already have a gun to your head and literally nothing to lose by trying.

Honestly, I'd rather go without and expend the energy on hauling *** or finding a different way out of a situation.

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That weapon appears to be more of a novelty to me. Nearly the same reason I wasn't interested in the G43. Why have 6 rounds when I can have 15 without using much more space?

:iagree: It is definitely is a weapon of last resort. Would be better in 9mm IMO. I might get one for the novelty. How ever I can think of a few situations where it might be useful but in general I wouldn't want to go smaller than my XDs. 5+1 rounds of 45 with a spare 7 round mag.

When I was a kid pumping gas. The owner of the gas station had a pen that shot a .32 cal bullet. One end was a pen, and the other end had a hole in it for the bullet. I watched him shoot it in the garage a few times. He kept it in his shirt pocket all the time.

Sweet. Mrs. BoneZ got me the OWB version of my holster. <3

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IWI X95 is on sale! :excited:

Can't wait to get my hands on one!

Gunbroker.com has more than a few for sale going for about $1800.

http://www.the370z.com/attachment.ph...1&d=1460493899

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