Admin 3" Long Tube Intakes

NorthStyle · 06-27-2017, 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eagle

It also bothers me that Moncef, the owner of Admin Tuning will not post apples to apples dyno sheets of lets say a Stillen Gen 3 with a tune next to Admin Tuning with MAF scaling.

I have the Admin Tuning intakes but I'm not here to defend Moncef either, although he's a great guy to deal with. I will say that most companies don't do comparative dynos for their products against a competitors by a third party; and if they did, I'd still be hesitant to believe them. Why hold it against him when he's a smaller business then Stillen or AAM?

Quote:

Originally Posted by synolimit

It'd be a cold day in hell if you get that amount of power. People still run the same amount of power with all these setups. Nothing's really changing the game. Until we see consistent 340-350...360hp? Out of everyone just buy what you can afford. You're exactly right though! Tune probably costs more too because you do have to scale the **** out of them!

The tune should cost exactly the same... Seb (Specialty Z) didn't have any issues with mine and I'm in Germany. I'll will add that I was able to drive my car without any CELs/etc. prior to tuning but I had GTR injectors installed at the same time as my Admin intakes and EPS tbs.

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Originally Posted by markesc

Which leads me to this question:

Who has the most reliable ecutech email tune available? Having come from the wrx world, it was easy to datalog and send a file back to the tuner for safety purposes, plus I was spoiled with Cobb being 10 mins away (I could walk there even!).

I care more about reliability instead of all out numbers/bragging/leaning out/blown motor, and reading the above posts doesn't exactly instill much confidence as far as I'm concerned.

Seb @ Specialty Z hands down. Process is the same: data log, email, wait, upload, redo until perfect (took four times before he was happy with both of my maps).

socce · 07-23-2017, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by synolimit

Someone on the FB pages is giving me his new 3" setup and i sold my stillin gen 3's. Guess it cant get any worse. I say that though but 3 times ive dyno'd changing things and ive lost power! Like a lot! Think my best was 312 SAE in 4th with my setup, 2.75's, LTH and dual cbe. Then i tried e85 and made like 298 SAE in 5th!!! So almost stock power in 4th. Now with the side exit cbe and stillen gen 3's i made 310 SAE 5th. So maybe i could use a bigger intake. Who knows. Im currently porting the heads, openening the SH*T out of lower manifold and then going to try the 3" intakes. Hope it works out.

Any updates ?

Kingbaby · 06-21-2017, 02:06 PM

keep us posted

Chuck33079 · 06-21-2017, 02:40 PM

Are you sure? Usually plastic has a much lower thermal conductivity than Al, so the long tubes would transfer more of the engine bay heat to the air within the tube. Granted, I'm not sure what type of plastic the stock intake tract is. I think the best case for an intake would be a long tube setup with the reflective gold foil wrapped around the pipe, but the way the factory intake is set up is pretty good for an OEM.

Jayhovah · 06-21-2017, 03:03 PM

QUOTE=Eagle;3666928]Plastic is a pretty crappy conductor of heat, pretty sure the aluminum tubing is going to maintain cooler AIT's across the board[/QUOTE]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Are you sure? Usually plastic has a much lower thermal conductivity than Al, so the long tubes would transfer more of the engine bay heat to the air within the tube. Granted, I'm not sure what type of plastic the stock intake tract is. I think the best case for an intake would be a long tube setup with the reflective gold foil wrapped around the pipe, but the way the factory intake is set up is pretty good for an OEM.

I think you're both on the same track, just going different directions. In this case, I think Chuck is correct... you WANT the non-conductive plastic inside the engine compartment because it will resist heat soak.... if the plumbing was seeing ambient air, you'd rather have the aluminum piping to dissipate any heat.

That being said, I don't think it matters much one way or the other when the car is in motion and the engine is eating. Thin walled AL tubing is not going to change the air temperature all that much I don't think.

SOUTHZZ · 06-28-2017, 03:21 PM

As a old timer Z guy,I'll start with a apology.
Do not want to insult any other Z owners. But,this is how I see it.

For whatever reason,the intake is the first thing a new Z owner looks to mod after buying
the car.
Guilty-I did the obligatory Pop-Charger on my Z33.

Main thing I see about intakes and/or other go proposed "go fast" stuff is not the numbers. It is HOW the car's response is after you sunk the bucks into same.
For intakes,it will sound "sexy". That sound does not mean more power YOU CAN FEEL.
Trust me,perception is reality. You THINK it is faster. Bottom line,you will be using more fuel...
Intakes are not all that bad of an investment. Keep in mind,they are a component
or,a mix of parts to REALLY give you performance over stock.
Add HFC'S,exhaust etc. Lighter wheels--you'll have something.
Get a proper tune.
It'll feel that the car is "lighter".

Trust me

Eagle · 06-28-2017, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SOUTHZZ

As a old timer Z guy,I'll start with a apology.
Do not want to insult any other Z owners. But,this is how I see it.

For whatever reason,the intake is the first thing a new Z owner looks to mod after buying
the car.
Guilty-I did the obligatory Pop-Charger on my Z33.

Main thing I see about intakes and/or other go proposed "go fast" stuff is not the numbers. It is HOW the car's response is after you sunk the bucks into same.
For intakes,it will sound "sexy". That sound does not mean more power YOU CAN FEEL.
Trust me,perception is reality. You THINK it is faster. Bottom line,you will be using more fuel...
Intakes are not all that bad of an investment. Keep in mind,they are a component
or,a mix of parts to REALLY give you performance over stock.
Add HFC'S,exhaust etc. Lighter wheels--you'll have something.
Get a proper tune.
It'll feel that the car is "lighter".

Trust me

No need to apologize, I think you nailed it. Basically everyone understands that it's stupid to play the dyno game with cold air intakes. You just aren't going to make a lot of power, end of story. But Admin Tuning wants people to pay a butt load of cash for a kit that is not worth the cost...and then people are out there online thanking him for it and spreading the BS.

markesc · 06-28-2017, 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eagle

No need to apologize, I think you nailed it. Basically everyone understands that it's stupid to play the dyno game with cold air intakes. You just aren't going to make a lot of power, end of story. But Admin Tuning wants people to pay a butt load of cash for a kit that is not worth the cost...and then people are out there online thanking him for it and spreading the BS.

Agreed. To put it in perspective, I saw little gains on my 07 wrx going from a tuned/blouch20g to tune/cobb airbox/blouch20g. Basically what I learned from that was while yes there WERE gains, it was only because more boost could be made in a safer manner. Wasn't worth the $$ for the intake/air box plus another dyno tune.

This is why I'm skeptical about major gains with intakes with the Z being an N/A platform.

Thanks for the reply earlier, will request a quote from Seb

synolimit · 07-04-2017, 06:20 AM

You have to tune with just those intakes haha! You cant increase MAF size and have the car run.

CJBinder · 07-08-2017, 05:31 PM

I love my current setup. With the 3" injen cold air intakes which mate directly in diameter to the EPS throttle bodies with upper and lower intake ported by Z1 with my FI Long Tube headers my throttle response is awesome plus the power and sound. I wouldn't change a thing

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SS_Firehawk · 07-25-2017, 03:37 PM

Injen are 2.75" and neck down at the MAF. 2.75" is 70mm; the same size as the EPS TB's. The bottleneck is the stock manifold inlet. It's 60mm. You need to open that up and the maximum you can port it out is 64mm; which happens to be about 2.5". Looking at the Tim Bell Throttlebodies, they aren't running oversized ones either. They look stock, and they made 450+bhp according to their sale page. I'm hesitant to believe there is some sort of magic in the Admin intake or EPS throttle-bodies that make any more measurable power than ported stocks and 2.5" CAI's.

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1cintron · 07-26-2017, 09:09 PM

As a current Admin Tuning Intake owner, I don't recommend you spend the $$ on them... i am not much of a fan since the piping is not smooth in the inside and can affect air flow... the pictures below show the obstructions in the pipe from manufacture/welding in the direction of air flow.

Rusty · 07-26-2017, 09:12 PM

That's not good.

Elmo370z · 07-26-2017, 09:38 PM

O wow. I would address monceif himself about this

1cintron · 07-27-2017, 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rusty

That's not good.

not at all.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elmo370z

O wow. I would address monceif himself about this

I will try reaching out to him...

On the meantime, for any other member here who have these intakes, can you verify yours look the same or similar inside?

06-21-2017, 02:40 PM	#4 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29540	Are you sure? Usually plastic has a much lower thermal conductivity than Al, so the long tubes would transfer more of the engine bay heat to the air within the tube. Granted, I'm not sure what type of plastic the stock intake tract is. I think the best case for an intake would be a long tube setup with the reflective gold foil wrapped around the pipe, but the way the factory intake is set up is pretty good for an OEM. Jayhovah likes this. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

06-28-2017, 03:21 PM	#6 (permalink)
SOUTHZZ Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: ALABAMA Posts: 305 Drives: 09 NISSAN 370Z CS M6 Rep Power: 3402	As a old timer Z guy,I'll start with a apology. Do not want to insult any other Z owners. But,this is how I see it. For whatever reason,the intake is the first thing a new Z owner looks to mod after buying the car. Guilty-I did the obligatory Pop-Charger on my Z33. Main thing I see about intakes and/or other go proposed "go fast" stuff is not the numbers. It is HOW the car's response is after you sunk the bucks into same. For intakes,it will sound "sexy". That sound does not mean more power YOU CAN FEEL. Trust me,perception is reality. You THINK it is faster. Bottom line,you will be using more fuel... Intakes are not all that bad of an investment. Keep in mind,they are a component or,a mix of parts to REALLY give you performance over stock. Add HFC'S,exhaust etc. Lighter wheels--you'll have something. Get a proper tune. It'll feel that the car is "lighter". Trust me Kingbaby, Eagle, jrb55gh and 3 others like this.

07-04-2017, 06:20 AM	#9 (permalink)
synolimit A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2013 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 5,051 Drives: 2013 Silver 370z Rep Power: 3391	You have to tune with just those intakes haha! You cant increase MAF size and have the car run. Kingbaby likes this. __________________ 13 370z-

07-08-2017, 05:31 PM	#10 (permalink)
CJBinder Enthusiast Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Omaha NE Posts: 272 Drives: 09 370Z PG M6 Rep Power: 27	I love my current setup. With the 3" injen cold air intakes which mate directly in diameter to the EPS throttle bodies with upper and lower intake ported by Z1 with my FI Long Tube headers my throttle response is awesome plus the power and sound. I wouldn't change a thing Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk socce likes this. __________________ Injen cold air intakes, Ported upper and lower manifolds, OS Giken LSD, F1 Long Tube Headers, Magnaflow CBE. Natural Baby

07-25-2017, 03:37 PM	#11 (permalink)
SS_Firehawk A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Tampa Posts: 4,142 Drives: 13' Magma Red Nismo Rep Power: 7336	Injen are 2.75" and neck down at the MAF. 2.75" is 70mm; the same size as the EPS TB's. The bottleneck is the stock manifold inlet. It's 60mm. You need to open that up and the maximum you can port it out is 64mm; which happens to be about 2.5". Looking at the Tim Bell Throttlebodies, they aren't running oversized ones either. They look stock, and they made 450+bhp according to their sale page. I'm hesitant to believe there is some sort of magic in the Admin intake or EPS throttle-bodies that make any more measurable power than ported stocks and 2.5" CAI's. 2015 Nissan NISMO 370Z GS IMSA CTSCC W/ Spares! for Sale in MOORESVILLE, NC \| RacingJunk Classifieds Kingbaby, Chuck33079, Stright_Drop and 1 others like this. __________________ Old Car:GTM TSC'd 550whp / 410lbft tq @ 11.88PSI New Car: Under Construction

07-26-2017, 09:09 PM	#12 (permalink)
1cintron Base Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 116 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 14	As a current Admin Tuning Intake owner, I don't recommend you spend the $$ on them... i am not much of a fan since the piping is not smooth in the inside and can affect air flow... the pictures below show the obstructions in the pipe from manufacture/welding in the direction of air flow.

07-26-2017, 09:12 PM	#13 (permalink)
Rusty A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Fayettenam,Pennsyltucky Age: 70 Posts: 35,579 Drives: 2011 Nismo GM 6M Rep Power: 2684440	That's not good. Chuck33079, 1cintron and ZontheRocks like this. __________________ 浪人 - 殺し屋 "The Difficult Anytime, The Impossible By Appointment Only" http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...o-journal.html

07-26-2017, 09:38 PM	#14 (permalink)
Elmo370z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: st. petersburg Posts: 5,730 Drives: 09 nissan 370z Sp M6 Rep Power: 295380	O wow. I would address monceif himself about this 1cintron likes this.

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