So just ordered my Stillen SC

jwick

Hasn't it been proved over and over again that you should never upgrade the Stillen SC?

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Chuck33079

Pretty much. More boost= more heat that the ecu doesn't know about= blown motor.

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Z&I

Did some more checking : Seems our cars have BOTH MAF and MAP sensors see STILLEN pdf page 15.
What Gives ??? How does this all fit together ???

Another article states that some MAF’s have incorpated an IAT into it’s construction.
Is it possible to electrically separate the IAT from the MAF/IAT and ‘wire in’ an IAT post IC ?
Is this feasible?

I have an email in to UpRev concerning this question …. waiting waiting waiting.

BTW – Do you Turbo guys ever blow motors ???

Below are some useful links:

Discussion on Miata Forum – utilizing both MAF and MAP
Is one really better than the other: MAF/MAP based tuning - MX-5 Miata Forum

Stillen SC’r Instructions go to page 15 Plenum/MAP sensor
http://www.stillen.com/prodfiles/407770~inst.pdf

Air Intake Temperature AIT Tuning Modify Fuel Map ECU
Air Intake Temperature AIT Tuning Modify Fuel Map ECU

MAP Sensor Vs. MAF Sensor
MAP Sensor VS. Maf Sensor | Tuning MAP sensors | Evo Maf

MAP + IAT vs MAF
MAP & IAT vs. MAF «

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Yep, we've got both a MAP and MAF. From my knowledge the MAF provides the IAT data, hence the problem with the Stillen plumbing. No idea if you can unmarry the two. Turbo guys blow motors too, but it seems the Stillen kit likes to detonate at a far lower power level than guys run with no issues on turbo setups. That's why I'm almost convinced that it's because of bad data from the MAF since it's pre-compressor. Lots of factory FI cars run a draw through MAF setup, but they're tuned by the manufacturer to account for it.

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Z&I

Awesome !!! now on another journey to find out how the MAP is being utilized.

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Now looking to send out the Frozen Boost and Stillen Manifold to the radiator shop to braze in some larger ports ~ larger hoses ~ a 12" fan in front of the heat exchanger ~ and replacing the Stillen kit Bosch circulating pump with a larger flow aftermarket (Mercedes) one.
By Golly, we'll get some COLD air in there for sure !!!

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JWillis72

I'm interested to see how that works.


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JWillis72

Are you running the 2" or 3.5" thick frozen boost?

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24x12x1
It was measured out by the shop to fit in the confined space in front of and on the left of the radiator...(I wasn't there when they determined it)

There is a brace that limited the depth of the exchanger.

Here is the link to the one that I now have:
Air to Water Radiator

I don't know if I can go to a shorter/deeper 12x12x2 - same capacity/area as the 24x12x1
Here is the link to that one:
http://www.frozenboost.com/water-to-...or-p-1062.html


It (and the motor) are still out of the car ... so it's not cast in stone as to what the best solution is.

I'm open to any suggestions Can you send the link to the 3.5"

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Air to Water Heat Exchanger

My car is going in the shop tomorrow to start reworking the cooling, we are trying to use this one if we have room. It looks like we will get a little more room with the Stillen bumpers larger opening. We are moving the oil cooler to the wheel well like GTM did with a fan on it and if we have room by removing the washer fluid tank we will do both fenders to get as much as we can away from the radiator. With the frozen boost the question is do we have 26" between the brake duct fangs.

JWillis72

We will figure out a plan this week and order parts. The car will probably be there a couple weeks but I will let you know how it works out. I have a Aquamist meth injection kit on the car but it just not reliable enough to trust so I want as big of a cooler as we can fit.


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Z&I

Thanks for the info
I have the stock bumper and have the line locks installed in the wheel wells.
I'm going to drop by the shop tonight and talk over some things with them and look at what we can do with the IC and Heat Exchanger.
Hopefully we can find some more room in there.

I have the Aquamist ready to be installed ... bought it direct from UK...and it took only a week to get here.
Richard @ Aquamist has been helpful in the support department...really quick on the draw when it comes to emails.
He's only support for Aquamist purchased thru UK though.

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JWillis72

My control unit is on the way back to him, it's been in the car close to a year and has missed more track days than it's made. I didn't use it every day and more times than not something didn't work when I turned it on, I have lost faith in the system and no longer trust it. I'm just afraid it's going to stop working on the track, my meth map is to lean without it and it could cost me a engine.

JWillis72

I spent some time at the shop today and with the Stillen bumper we can get the 3.5" cooler in so that's the plan for now. The 7AT trans cooler is going to the drivers wheel well and the oil cooler is going to the passenger wheel well. Haven't figured out the power steering cooler but it's not that big so it shouldn't be a problem.


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