So just ordered my Stillen SC

Mr&Mrs · 07-08-2014, 06:58 AM

My car has always ha 4th gear pulls.

theDreamer · 07-08-2014, 08:19 AM

Here is his full build thread, but it is the last couple pages we talk e85 with the GTM kit: dmhenderson's Nismo '12 GTM supercharged build thread where I freak out a lot
He is currently working on a couple issues to finish it up, but looking positive. The only negative I see to e85 for us, is we are static with our boost. So we run xPSI and throwing on e85 might give better cooling and allow a little more timing but to see full benefits we might have to bump up the PSI or generate better flow in/out of the engine to great that perfect efficiency setup.

mikey1600 · 07-08-2014, 08:31 AM

thanks mate! will keep an eye on it and see how it goes.

yeah I was thinking the same along the lines of the static boost thing.. guess we will wait for his results, we might have a lot of E85'ers coming up haha

theDreamer · 07-08-2014, 08:33 AM

Yep, the TT guys are eating it up right now but the SC owners are staying away. I want to make the jump (tons of e85 stations here), but not sure if it is worth the investment. I don't really need more power, need at 400 since 2010 and love the level, but the added protection is very nice.

mikey1600 · 07-08-2014, 08:42 AM

yeah I'm hearing you there, extra protection would be awesome.

have you done any tests on your local stations to see how the levels vary? that's the only real concern I have about swapping over, is getting a low batch of fuel, guess would need to at least have a test kit every tank of fuel.. kind of annoying for a daily drive, if the other guys results are good though, it'll be worth it to me even to check every tank.

I've got 3 stations within 5-10 mins of me, might run some tests over the coming months and see how the levels vary.

theDreamer · 07-08-2014, 08:55 AM

Not yet, I know the top stations people use here and I am near or travel daily past them.
Probably before I made the jump I would test a few to compare differences mostly, and my other goal is to have a second car by the time I make the jump so I am not that worried about DD it anymore.

mikey1600 · 07-08-2014, 09:03 AM

yup yup, mines not so much a DD but it is my only car, I work from home and only head on-site for hardware replacements/meetings etc (IT consultant).

so it won't be so bad, I can generally go a couple weeks at the moment with a tank of fuel if I don't go out to any car meets on the weekend.

well fingers crossed for decent results! we know there will be 2 more at least if there is decent results

haha

Team_STILLEN · 07-08-2014, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by mikey1600

where should we be aiming for AFR wise? I would have thought tune would have been super clean, they are a pro uprev dealer. I see my peak number flatten out and the AFR come from around 11.7-11.8 to 13. there is a lot of unburnt fuel I think it could go a little leaner.. I know safe is good but kind of looks to be quite rich.

also what sort of timing should we roughly be looking at? I can ask what it's at or any graphs of it, forgot to ask about it. Any help would be appreciative and I can point them in the right direction and we can do some testing to make sure there's no detonation.

It's currently middle of winter here, so out and about most places where I am, gets down to 0ish-10degrees celcius while nighttime, would you also advise a sort of summer tune? pull back some of the timing during the hotter weather?

You'd have to look at timing tables to see all that. Nissan is really confusing as the timing tables aren't in degree but some kind of unit based off cylinder pressure.

It doesn't look like it is running super rich, but it could be smoothed out a little and optomized. Right around 12-12.5:1 AFR is going to be your target range (closer to 12:1 to be safe).

As far as a summer tune...the tune should be able to compensate for the temperature differences but I would have it checked when it gets warmer to make sure everything is good to go.

mikey1600 · 07-20-2014, 12:12 AM

so whats everyone running in terms of redline now with the kit, are you guys keeping standard redline or increasing further?

BGTV8 · 07-20-2014, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by mikey1600

so whats everyone running in terms of redline now with the kit, are you guys keeping standard redline or increasing further?

Unless you have upgraded the oil-pump, don't exceed 7500rpm.

mikey1600 · 07-20-2014, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by BGTV8

Unless you have upgraded the oil-pump, don't exceed 7500rpm.

fair enough, have any idea what oil pump people are upgrading too?

BGTV8 · 07-20-2014, 02:35 AM

Nismo oil pump @ US$1250

ANMVQ · 07-20-2014, 09:05 AM

I ran had my limit at 7800 , but never hit it shifted at 7500 to so I think I may have bounced like 3 -4 times at the track tho, I shift manual ALL the time and took some getting used to how fast the RPMs ramped up

Z&I · 07-20-2014, 10:20 AM

Hey Mikey !!!

Check your Dyno Graph ... and look for where the Torque Curve starts to dip ... That's your shift point.
You still may show HP increasing but you will be losing the rate of acceleration.

Do some testing, and you can fine tune the shift point to your liking as needed.

If you did the pull thru the gears you may notice a different shift point for different gears...good to know if you plan to race.

I ended up installing an Auto Meter Shift Light (guage style) using an 'A Pillar Guage Pod' crafted by 'Gale Force' - one of the members here.
This shift light allows you to program each shift, and being located in the guage pod, it is much easier to see than the OEM one ...

My dyno graph indicated to shift between 6900 and 7000 (with some other performance upgrades) and that worked for me.

mikey1600 · 07-20-2014, 06:12 PM

Sweet, good to know about being able to program the shift light per shift. might look into one as well

still debating whether to go the e85 route.. waiting for some results from another member doing the same, as like everyone else we really don't know how much gain there will be as we can't just up the boost like a turbo setup, we could however increase timing/tune afr more aggressively.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Z&I

Hey Mikey !!!

Check your Dyno Graph ... and look for where the Torque Curve starts to dip ... That's your shift point.
You still may show HP increasing but you will be losing the rate of acceleration.

Do some testing, and you can fine tune the shift point to your liking as needed.

If you did the pull thru the gears you may notice a different shift point for different gears...good to know if you plan to race.

I ended up installing an Auto Meter Shift Light (guage style) using an 'A Pillar Guage Pod' crafted by 'Gale Force' - one of the members here.
This shift light allows you to program each shift, and being located in the guage pod, it is much easier to see than the OEM one ...

My dyno graph indicated to shift between 6900 and 7000 (with some other performance upgrades) and that worked for me.

07-08-2014, 06:58 AM	#1 (permalink)
Mr&Mrs A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: Tampa Posts: 4,207 Drives: RZ34 Rep Power: 31942	My car has always ha 4th gear pulls. __________________ Project Z <--Click - Check out the link too many mods to list!

07-08-2014, 08:19 AM	#2 (permalink)
theDreamer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 30,879 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 4212	Here is his full build thread, but it is the last couple pages we talk e85 with the GTM kit: dmhenderson's Nismo '12 GTM supercharged build thread where I freak out a lot He is currently working on a couple issues to finish it up, but looking positive. The only negative I see to e85 for us, is we are static with our boost. So we run xPSI and throwing on e85 might give better cooling and allow a little more timing but to see full benefits we might have to bump up the PSI or generate better flow in/out of the engine to great that perfect efficiency setup. NeverBoneStck likes this. __________________ theDreamer's Z // Fast Intentions // Uprev // GTM // HKS // TEIN theDreamer's Silvia // URAS // GREDDY Houston Zs // Facebook // Twitter // Instagram

07-08-2014, 08:33 AM	#4 (permalink)
theDreamer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 30,879 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 4212	Yep, the TT guys are eating it up right now but the SC owners are staying away. I want to make the jump (tons of e85 stations here), but not sure if it is worth the investment. I don't really need more power, need at 400 since 2010 and love the level, but the added protection is very nice. __________________ theDreamer's Z // Fast Intentions // Uprev // GTM // HKS // TEIN theDreamer's Silvia // URAS // GREDDY Houston Zs // Facebook // Twitter // Instagram

07-08-2014, 08:55 AM	#6 (permalink)
theDreamer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 30,879 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 4212	Not yet, I know the top stations people use here and I am near or travel daily past them. Probably before I made the jump I would test a few to compare differences mostly, and my other goal is to have a second car by the time I make the jump so I am not that worried about DD it anymore. __________________ theDreamer's Z // Fast Intentions // Uprev // GTM // HKS // TEIN theDreamer's Silvia // URAS // GREDDY Houston Zs // Facebook // Twitter // Instagram

07-20-2014, 09:05 AM	#13 (permalink)
ANMVQ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Framingham MA Posts: 2,732 Drives: 2014 Q50 AWD Rep Power: 21	I ran had my limit at 7800 , but never hit it shifted at 7500 to so I think I may have bounced like 3 -4 times at the track tho, I shift manual ALL the time and took some getting used to how fast the RPMs ramped up __________________ 14 Q50 AWD, ARK, ECUTEK (SEB), Takda,

07-08-2014, 08:31 AM	#3 (permalink)
mikey1600 Track Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 503 Drives: MY11 370z Black Rep Power: 17	thanks mate! will keep an eye on it and see how it goes. yeah I was thinking the same along the lines of the static boost thing.. guess we will wait for his results, we might have a lot of E85'ers coming up haha

07-08-2014, 08:42 AM	#5 (permalink)
mikey1600 Track Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 503 Drives: MY11 370z Black Rep Power: 17	yeah I'm hearing you there, extra protection would be awesome. have you done any tests on your local stations to see how the levels vary? that's the only real concern I have about swapping over, is getting a low batch of fuel, guess would need to at least have a test kit every tank of fuel.. kind of annoying for a daily drive, if the other guys results are good though, it'll be worth it to me even to check every tank. I've got 3 stations within 5-10 mins of me, might run some tests over the coming months and see how the levels vary.

07-08-2014, 09:03 AM	#7 (permalink)
mikey1600 Track Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 503 Drives: MY11 370z Black Rep Power: 17	yup yup, mines not so much a DD but it is my only car, I work from home and only head on-site for hardware replacements/meetings etc (IT consultant). so it won't be so bad, I can generally go a couple weeks at the moment with a tank of fuel if I don't go out to any car meets on the weekend. well fingers crossed for decent results! we know there will be 2 more at least if there is decent results haha

07-20-2014, 12:12 AM	#9 (permalink)
mikey1600 Track Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 503 Drives: MY11 370z Black Rep Power: 17	so whats everyone running in terms of redline now with the kit, are you guys keeping standard redline or increasing further?

07-20-2014, 02:35 AM	#12 (permalink)
BGTV8 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: 03350 Australia Posts: 1,516 Drives: 09 Nissan 370Z M6 Rep Power: 39975	Nismo oil pump @ US$1250

07-20-2014, 10:20 AM	#14 (permalink)
Z&I Enthusiast Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: New Jersey Posts: 410 Drives: '09 370z 6MT FI Rep Power: 14	Hey Mikey !!! Check your Dyno Graph ... and look for where the Torque Curve starts to dip ... That's your shift point. You still may show HP increasing but you will be losing the rate of acceleration. Do some testing, and you can fine tune the shift point to your liking as needed. If you did the pull thru the gears you may notice a different shift point for different gears...good to know if you plan to race. I ended up installing an Auto Meter Shift Light (guage style) using an 'A Pillar Guage Pod' crafted by 'Gale Force' - one of the members here. This shift light allows you to program each shift, and being located in the guage pod, it is much easier to see than the OEM one ... My dyno graph indicated to shift between 6900 and 7000 (with some other performance upgrades) and that worked for me. BGTV8 and JWillis72 like this. __________________ . BB Last edited by Z&I; 07-20-2014 at 10:24 AM.

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