Reflections on GTM over the years

Cell · 10-09-2014, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JARblue

Thank you bullitt for some additional perspective. You're being crucified unnecessarily by people who seem to think that GTM has filed for bankruptcy, shut down the shop, and disappeared. Obviously, GTM is still working on customer's cars. Good luck getting your build finished up.

To those with flaming pitchforks already in hand, I do not blame you for wanting to crucify GTM. But FFS, there's no reason to attack a fellow forum member who is several years deep into his GTM build. I suspect if bullitt was looking to start his build in the last 6 months, his posts would be much different. I don't quite see how you guys think he was defending GTM - he was just stating his observations of the shop in its current state. I don't think anyone is reading through pages of this thread, and then getting to bullitt's post and thinking to themselves, wow GTM sounds like a great choice for my build

Lets assume that everything is fine with GTM. Do you really want to do business with a company with the reputation it has now? The reputation does not just come out of thin air. I would be highly stressed and pissed if I knew my turbo kit was going to take more than a year to get to me with no end date in site. People are here mostly to warn others of what has happened. Old habits do die hard and GTM has proven it in the old 350z community and here.

More power to you if you want to wait it out. In the end, it is your money and not mine.

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Yeah, there's some funky ownership issues going on, but someone related to this debacle began filing bankruptcy. Bullitt, take anything Sam says about a filing with a grain of salt. He's not above looking someone right in the eyes and lying to them.

Sam has lied before and if anyone believes anything he says now then it is your lost.

NoLaKrewe · 10-09-2014, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Cell

Lets assume that everything is fine with GTM. Do you really want to do business with a company with the reputation it has now? The reputation does not just come out of thin air. I would be highly stressed and pissed if I knew my turbo kit was going to take more than a year to get to me with no end date in site. People are here mostly to warn others of what has happened. Old habits do die hard and GTM has proven it in the old 350z community and here.

More power to you if you want to wait it out. In the end, it is your money and not mine.

Sam has lied before and if anyone believes anything he says now then it is your lost.

That's pretty much my issue. I don't think it's logical to act like GTM is a good company to spend money with. Even if they do finish these guys 2 projects, and it takes them another year to fill the group buy is that even enough? When you have forum members complaining about how Sam owes them more then 19k because his story of installations and whatnot varied daily, how can one justify that type of business?

elperuano · 10-09-2014, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Cell

Lets assume that everything is fine with GTM. Do you really want to do business with a company with the reputation it has now? The reputation does not just come out of thin air. I would be highly stressed and pissed if I knew my turbo kit was going to take more than a year to get to me with no end date in site. People are here mostly to warn others of what has happened. Old habits do die hard and GTM has proven it in the old 350z community and here.

More power to you if you want to wait it out. In the end, it is your money and not mine.

Sam has lied before and if anyone believes anything he says now then it is your lost.

Well said sir. Especially the part about said company's old habits from my350.

JARblue · 10-09-2014, 09:47 AM

Glad to see you around a bit more, Chuck. Hope the new job has been going well. You're just 7 posts from Elite. Get on it!!

Ill · 10-09-2014, 11:59 AM

Hopefully in about 7 hours or so, I'll be able to upload some pictures of my delivery. We can see if their work quality has dropped.

DOOMMONKEY777 · 10-09-2014, 06:55 PM

Guy, guys lets not fight here plz, remember GTM's dark force is strong in lies, deception and just literally ******* ppl over, so lets not*fight over it, instead look in to light and just help each other out.

I am a mhi gb member and i haven't received my kit nor $ back, if i have known these things earlier i would have never payed, if some one have warned me from 350z forum.

So plz lets inform positive and negative, but not bash eachother ty.

NoLaKrewe · 10-09-2014, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DOOMMONKEY777

Guy, guys lets not fight here plz, remember GTM's dark force is strong in lies, deception and just literally ******* ppl over, so lets not*fight over it, instead look in to light and just help each other out.

I am a mhi gb member and i haven't received my kit nor $ back, if i have known these things earlier i would have never payed, if some one have warned me from 350z forum.

So plz lets inform positive and negative, but not bash ty.

Not trying to bash but they're people here acting as if GTM isn't the dark force. That's why this thread needs to educate new comers.

roplusbee · 10-09-2014, 07:26 PM

I really wish I could go back to my posts back in 2010. I was the one that said that I would never give GTM my money because of various reasons. Then I got ridiculed by the community for saying what I said AND purchasing/installing a Greddy 20G TT Kit. THEN GTM had the nerve to come on the forum and talk about how the Greddy Kit is inferior to theirs. THEN they had the nerve to announce a MHI TT Kit.

I don't give a flying **** about how GTM does business, because I am not doing business with them and never intended to after the conversations that I had with SAM and various other people that worked with him at the time. I don't have a pitchfork or hate in my heart, but I will tell the truth about my experience with them and how the community reacted to my posts. In my opinion, the only thing they make that I like are their videos.

bullitt5897:

Come on dude. You are saying the you and JARBlue are the only sane people in this thread? There are plenty of people that have approached this situation level headed and given a solid perspective on what happened in their experience with GTM. I know you were around when I was being attacked on the forum and I even warned you about dealing with those guys. I may not have 10k posts, but I am far from new around here Mr OG. I really wanted to go back and quote myself from back then, but the search stops at 500.

JARblue · 10-09-2014, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Cell

Lets assume that everything is fine with GTM.

Where the fvck did that come from? I think it's been pretty well established that GTM is far from fine. Crucify GTM for all I care; I certainly wouldn't ever give them any of my money. All I pointed out was the unnecessary attacks on bullitt for providing some additional information on the situation. It's not like he recommended GTM in any way, shape or form - he was very clear that he has a complex relationship with Sam, which is likely because he had such a complex build it would be quite difficult to just pull the car out of the shop. The hatred against GTM is so thick in this thread, you guys just can't be reasoned wtih. No one here is promoting GTM - if you feel otherwise, please quote the specific wording that you feel comes across as "use GTM, they can be trusted". Otherwise, quit acting like people are promoting GTM in this thread.

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Originally Posted by Cell

More power to you if you want to wait it out. In the end, it is your money and not mine.

Nice assumption

I haven't purchased anything from GTM. Ever.

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Originally Posted by NoLaKrewe

That's pretty much my issue. I don't think it's logical to act like GTM is a good company to spend money with. Even if they do finish these guys 2 projects, and it takes them another year to fill the group buy is that even enough? When you have forum members complaining about how Sam owes them more then 19k because his story of installations and whatnot varied daily, how can one justify that type of business?

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Originally Posted by MMC Racing

You are the same as every other poster who still had work going on there telling the community they have it all wrong about GTM. I wish you luck that you are the minority that receive a functioning complete vehicle that met your original goals.

If they actually finish out the GB, there are still going to be plenty of anti-GTM people. And when something breaks they're all going to say I told you so. All we can do is steer fellow forum members in a better direction if GTM sticks around. But for the guys that still have cars/money there, it appears that not all hope is lost. Not quite sure why y'all are rooting for GTM to fail when it will be at the expense of a number of fellow Z/G owners

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Originally Posted by MMC Racing

You don't give a flying ****, but I can read the anger in your post.

I didn't read anger in his posts except for towards the anti-GTM people attacking him for letting them finish his build. You just want GTM to fail at any cost

JARblue · 10-09-2014, 07:54 PM

Let me just be clear on my thoughts here:

FUCK GTM

JARblue · 10-09-2014, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by roplusbee

I really wish I could go back to my posts back in 2010. I was the one that said that I would never give GTM my money because of various reasons. Then I got ridiculed by the community for saying what I said AND purchasing/installing a Greddy 20G TT Kit. THEN GTM had the nerve to come on the forum and talk about how the Greddy Kit is inferior to theirs. THEN they had the nerve to announce a MHI TT Kit.

I don't give a flying **** about how GTM does business, because I am not doing business with them and never intended to after the conversations that I had with SAM and various other people that worked with him at the time. I don't have a pitchfork or hate in my heart, but I will tell the truth about my experience with them and how the community reacted to my posts. In my opinion, the only thing they make that I like are their videos.

bullitt5897:

Come on dude. You are saying the you and JARBlue are the only sane people in this thread? There are plenty of people that have approached this situation level headed and given a solid perspective on what happened in their experience with GTM. I know you were around when I was being attacked on the forum and I even warned you about dealing with those guys. I may not have 10k posts, but I am far from new around here Mr OG. I really wanted to go back and quote myself from back then, but the search stops at 500.

This is about the only reason I can put any onus on the people who spent money at GTM. I wasn't even seriously looking to purchase any of their products. But it was several years ago that I realize how sketchy GTM's business practices were. There wasn't a doubt in my mind that I would never send any money their way.

There is plenty of info in this thread to steer people away from GTM. I don't believe there are any posts in here that would convince someone (that isn't an idiot) to spend money at GTM. Let's try not to bash other forum members (not aimed at you, Rob), even if you feel they made a bad choice in GTM; it's not your fvcking money and it's too late for them to go somewhere else. I, for one, just hope that everyone gets what they want, whether that be a full refund or their kit

bullitt5897 · 10-09-2014, 09:15 PM

Again I appreciate it JARBlue... My only issue is with the personal attacks. I have only come here to update those with projects and orders with GTM on the current state of the shop while I was there. My information comes from multiple different sources and they all have common themes among them. These themes mimic what I saw in person and proved themselves to be fact. So I decided to share with you all. Take it for what you will. If you don't care so be it. If I say I don't give a flying **** it means just that. I have nothing to prove to anyone in this community. That being said if I know something that will help others I will share it. Right now it looks like GTM is trying to climb out of a deep hole.

Ill · 10-09-2014, 10:23 PM

Car is amazing, everything is just what I asked for, except for a few CELs that I have to clear. Not exactly sure it's GTM's fault or not. It's nothing major, just standard airbag light and stuff since they ripped out my dash.

Shipping unload
Off truck
Bumper on
Interior

*edit - rotated interior picture.

Dcocci · 10-09-2014, 10:41 PM

Should be interesting to see if the CEL and airbag light come back on lol... I really have no horse in this race though. I'm genuinely happy for you to get your car back and that you are satisfied and happy with it, from one car dude to another

Trips · 10-09-2014, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Ill

Car is amazing, everything is just what I asked for, except for a few CELs that I have to clear. Not exactly sure it's GTM's fault or not. It's nothing major, just standard airbag light and stuff since they ripped out my dash.

Shipping unload
Off truck
Bumper on
Interior

Congrats on getting her back.

Im digging the new gauges

10-09-2014, 09:47 AM	#4 (permalink)
JARblue A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Austin, TX Age: 44 Posts: 36,450 Drives: 11 Z34, 98 E36 M3 Rep Power: 2684441	Glad to see you around a bit more, Chuck. Hope the new job has been going well. You're just 7 posts from Elite. Get on it!! __________________ 2011 370Z 6MT Sport Gun Metallic \| ARC \| CJM \| Ecutek \| FI \| Fujimura \| R2C \| SPL \| Stillen \| TWM \| Z1 \| ZSpeed \|

10-09-2014, 11:59 AM	#5 (permalink)
Ill Base Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Bellevue Posts: 177 Drives: 09 370z Base 6MT Rep Power: 14	Hopefully in about 7 hours or so, I'll be able to upload some pictures of my delivery. We can see if their work quality has dropped. __________________ Old - GTM TT Stage 1 - 487whp / 415wtrq - bunch of goodies. New - 2011 Shelby GT500 - 2.3L VMP TVS - JLT CAI.

10-09-2014, 06:55 PM	#6 (permalink)
DOOMMONKEY777 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Crooklyn Posts: 1,013 Drives: 370Z 6psd-sport-pkg Rep Power: 21	Guy, guys lets not fight here plz, remember GTM's dark force is strong in lies, deception and just literally ******* ppl over, so lets notfight over it, instead look in to light and just help each other out. I am a mhi gb member and i haven't received my kit nor $ back, if i have known these things earlier i would have never payed, if some one have warned me from 350z forum. So plz lets inform positive and negative, but not bash eachother ty. __________________ Kids don't do Drugs, Drugs are bad, so let the professional druggies do Drugs for you. 537whp/496lb/tq@8-9PSI 93 octane* Last edited by DOOMMONKEY777; 10-09-2014 at 07:01 PM.

10-09-2014, 07:26 PM	#8 (permalink)
roplusbee A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Killeen, TX Posts: 2,360 Drives: 2007 350Z NISMO Rep Power: 23	I really wish I could go back to my posts back in 2010. I was the one that said that I would never give GTM my money because of various reasons. Then I got ridiculed by the community for saying what I said AND purchasing/installing a Greddy 20G TT Kit. THEN GTM had the nerve to come on the forum and talk about how the Greddy Kit is inferior to theirs. THEN they had the nerve to announce a MHI TT Kit. I don't give a flying **** about how GTM does business, because I am not doing business with them and never intended to after the conversations that I had with SAM and various other people that worked with him at the time. I don't have a pitchfork or hate in my heart, but I will tell the truth about my experience with them and how the community reacted to my posts. In my opinion, the only thing they make that I like are their videos. bullitt5897: Come on dude. You are saying the you and JARBlue are the only sane people in this thread? There are plenty of people that have approached this situation level headed and given a solid perspective on what happened in their experience with GTM. I know you were around when I was being attacked on the forum and I even warned you about dealing with those guys. I may not have 10k posts, but I am far from new around here Mr OG. I really wanted to go back and quote myself from back then, but the search stops at 500. __________________ 2007 350Z NISMO #0618: Zerolift \| UPREV \| F.I. \| Greddy \| Competition Clutch \| Injector Dynamics \| Aeromotive \| Pioneer \| JL

10-09-2014, 07:54 PM	#10 (permalink)
JARblue A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Austin, TX Age: 44 Posts: 36,450 Drives: 11 Z34, 98 E36 M3 Rep Power: 2684441	Let me just be clear on my thoughts here: FUCK GTM __________________ 2011 370Z 6MT Sport Gun Metallic \| ARC \| CJM \| Ecutek \| FI \| Fujimura \| R2C \| SPL \| Stillen \| TWM \| Z1 \| ZSpeed \|

10-09-2014, 09:15 PM	#12 (permalink)
bullitt5897 Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: North GA Posts: 6,831 Drives: Twin Turbo Z34 Rep Power: 3683	Again I appreciate it JARBlue... My only issue is with the personal attacks. I have only come here to update those with projects and orders with GTM on the current state of the shop while I was there. My information comes from multiple different sources and they all have common themes among them. These themes mimic what I saw in person and proved themselves to be fact. So I decided to share with you all. Take it for what you will. If you don't care so be it. If I say I don't give a flying ** it means just that. I have nothing to prove to anyone in this community. That being said if I know something that will help others I will share it. Right now it looks like GTM is trying to climb out of a deep hole. __________________ Shop Cars: 2013 318whp Nismo VspecII 370z SOLD, 2009 1000hp+ 93oct 4.0L TT 370z Fast Intentions STAGE 4 #054**

10-09-2014, 10:23 PM	#13 (permalink)
Ill Base Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Bellevue Posts: 177 Drives: 09 370z Base 6MT Rep Power: 14	Car is amazing, everything is just what I asked for, except for a few CELs that I have to clear. Not exactly sure it's GTM's fault or not. It's nothing major, just standard airbag light and stuff since they ripped out my dash. Shipping unload Off truck Bumper on Interior edit - rotated interior picture. __________________ Old - GTM TT Stage 1 - 487whp / 415wtrq - bunch of goodies. New - 2011 Shelby GT500 - 2.3L VMP TVS - JLT CAI. Last edited by Ill; 10-09-2014 at 11:03 PM.*

10-09-2014, 10:41 PM	#14 (permalink)
Dcocci Base Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 215 Drives: 2014 370z black 6spd Rep Power: 11	Should be interesting to see if the CEL and airbag light come back on lol... I really have no horse in this race though. I'm genuinely happy for you to get your car back and that you are satisfied and happy with it, from one car dude to another

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