Vvel

O&G · 04-13-2014, 12:49 PM

I had to break down my driver side VVEL setup yesterday to remedy a small oil leak under hi boost. I have a built block and don't want one drop of oil leaking from my motor. Moving on, I helped JTran tune the VVEL position sensor, took all of 5 minutes with his scan tool or you can use cypher. He set it to the factory spec then went through the VVEL learning process, clocking the sensor at the correct recommendation, then tighten the sensor screws. #cakewalk

1slow370 · 04-13-2014, 05:33 PM

yup it's not hard but has to be done when you remove the sensor.

Rid3_FaM0uS · 04-14-2014, 10:00 PM

Yes!!! This is the thread I saw! Thank you so much man! I will be following this closely. Is the VVEL learn in cipher some thing that's pretty simple to find or do you have to dig for it in the software?

O&G · 04-14-2014, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Rid3_FaM0uS

Yes!!! This is the thread I saw! Thank you so much man! I will be following this closely. Is the VVEL learn in cipher some thing that's pretty simple to find or do you have to dig for it in the software?

No problem man, I can ask my tuner, I have not done the procedure through cypher, I only held the scan tool and read out the numbers to JTran while he clocked the sensor.

juld0zer · 10-22-2014, 07:26 PM

can you please elaborate on the VVEL learning process?
i adjusted my bank 1 VVEL shaft sensor to factory spec and it matches the bank 2 sensor under the adjustment precondition mode

1slow370 · 10-22-2014, 07:31 PM

Edited sorry take that back unless you had the control shaft at the proper 5 degree angle before moving the sensor and performing the reset you are boned.

juld0zer · 10-22-2014, 10:44 PM

doesn't the preconditioning procedure put it in the 5 degree position?

Rid3_FaM0uS · 10-23-2014, 08:41 AM

did you change the VVEL actuator assy and/or install new cam shafts? if not the FSM states in bold letters strictly to not perform the reset sequence

juld0zer · 10-23-2014, 09:24 AM

yeah i know that.. every VVEL related technical document i've trawled up in my quest to learn more/cure my car has stated not to touch the sensors or actuators unless absolutely neccessary. If one part is disturbed, the entire lot is to be replaced.

I took a calculated gamble and went ahead with the adjustment procedure on bank 1 because at idle and under the adjustment precondition mode, it was out of spec by 0.001v, and also reading +0.05v higher than bank 2. Surely, if the system was indeed that sensitive that any disturbance in its life, whether accidental or intentional would mandate replacement of all parts then the bolts would be of a more tamper deterrent type, possibly even paint marked at assembly. The variances might sound very very tiny but i do believe the VVEL system is very sensitive and that 0.05v might translate into a few degrees or few fractiona of degrees of lift. Either way, if both banks are balanced then in theory the system would run even better - imo at least. I did say a final prayer before i cracked the bolts loose and held my breath. No turning back now.

I actually originally wanted to adjust both banks but when i hooked up Cipher i noticed that bank 2 was very close to spec. (0.499v actual vs 0.500v +/- 0.048v spec). So i let it be. It was quite easy to adjust but i quickly realised just how sensitive these sensors are. It didnt take much rotation to balance it with bank 2.

For anyone who is unsure about the VVEL relay and its location, in my 2011 AUDM RHD Z it is accessible by removing the plastic frame surrounding the battery hatch where there is a small box. The relay is the one as per the label on the lid. For me, that meant the relay nearest to the firewall. Both are identical, Japanese relays which is contrary to the Chinese made relays another member here found in his earlier model Z. Perhaps Nissan realised there was a fault and switched to Japanese relays in later models? I read somewhere that Nissan mislabelled the lid or the fsm but i'm not sure what model years are affected. It might have actually been the G37.. The other relay is for the cooling fans

So, in summary, i replaced no parts and removed no parts. I only backed off the bolts sufficient to allow movement of the sensor for the adjustment procedure. I performed the adjustment in a bid to cure my random loss of throttle response. The car idles perfectly and runs perfectly, with no hint of any ill effects of disturbing the sensors (both sensors were actually disconnected as i was intending on adjusting both). After throwing over $1000 in parts to try and cure the problem, i deemed the risk to be acceptable. I was well aware of what may happen but felr reassured by the several trouble-free reassembly stories other members here have shared when they removed the VVEL to upgrade cams or perform other repairs. These VVEL control shaft position sensors are similar to modern throttle position sensors fitted to cable mechanically operated throttle bodies.

I don't recommend everyone go out there and start fiddling with their VVEL sensors. Not unless you have explored all other avenues, understand the risks and have the proper equipment. It can be done with a multimeter and wire piercing probes but i imagine this would be very fiddly and require an assistant. I used Cipher and a laptop resting on the brake fluid hatch, arse up in the air while kneeling on the radiator core support. Easily accessible with no other parts requiring removal. Bolts have a 10mm head. Use a ratcheting spanner for ease. (side note: i have removed the coolant lines to both throttle bodies so there might be some hoses in the way for stock cars).

So far for me, the results are promising. SRM works better than ever. No jolts between shifts even with sloppy pedal actuation, exactly as advertised. Crisp throttle response. Perfect idle. I will report back if/when i re-encounter my issue. Thanks everyone

VQ’ed · 04-22-2019, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by O&G

I didn't have to do that.

Just make sure you don't remove the solenoid, with the four allen bolts. Just remove the whole assembly off the back of the head and you'll be fine.

When re-installing leave the two screws a bit loose on the sensor so the ecu can adjust the timing, then you can tighten them back up. (this is the sensor on the back of the VVEL housing that can rotate a bit)

And what if I had to replace the solenoid from a broken connector?
Long story short, I had to change my block, th motor came with a broken VVEL solenoid connector, we replaced the solenoid (black top with the 4 Allen studs)and clocked it the same way it was in.

Do I need to readjust anything after?

1slow370 · 05-12-2019, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by VQ’ed

And what if I had to replace the solenoid from a broken connector?
Long story short, I had to change my block, th motor came with a broken VVEL solenoid connector, we replaced the solenoid (black top with the 4 Allen studs)and clocked it the same way it was in.

Do I need to readjust anything after?

you will know if you log the bank fuel trims. if one side has a big afr correction it could be the actuator out of position.

04-13-2014, 12:49 PM	#16 (permalink)
O&G A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Lone Star State Age: 42 Posts: 1,212 Drives: 40th Anv. Rep Power: 23	I had to break down my driver side VVEL setup yesterday to remedy a small oil leak under hi boost. I have a built block and don't want one drop of oil leaking from my motor. Moving on, I helped JTran tune the VVEL position sensor, took all of 5 minutes with his scan tool or you can use cypher. He set it to the factory spec then went through the VVEL learning process, clocking the sensor at the correct recommendation, then tighten the sensor screws. #cakewalk elperuano likes this. __________________ O&G's Build/Journal <---(1st lowmount single turbo treeseventy) Built Engine Thread 2011 F-250 Build/Journal

04-13-2014, 05:33 PM	#17 (permalink)
1slow370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: In the D Posts: 3,732 Drives: v8 74 260z ;) Rep Power: 7252	yup it's not hard but has to be done when you remove the sensor. O&G likes this. __________________ ANSWER PRICE LIST Answers - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $0.75 Answers (requiring thought) - - - - $1.25 Answers (correct) - - - - - - - - - - $12.50

04-14-2014, 10:00 PM	#18 (permalink)
Rid3_FaM0uS Track Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Wapakoneta, Ohio Posts: 506 Drives: 2011 BS Nismo 370z Rep Power: 45	Yes!!! This is the thread I saw! Thank you so much man! I will be following this closely. Is the VVEL learn in cipher some thing that's pretty simple to find or do you have to dig for it in the software? __________________ Always under construction. . .

10-22-2014, 07:31 PM	#21 (permalink)
1slow370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: In the D Posts: 3,732 Drives: v8 74 260z ;) Rep Power: 7252	Edited sorry take that back unless you had the control shaft at the proper 5 degree angle before moving the sensor and performing the reset you are boned. __________________ ANSWER PRICE LIST Answers - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $0.75 Answers (requiring thought) - - - - $1.25 Answers (correct) - - - - - - - - - - $12.50

10-23-2014, 08:41 AM	#23 (permalink)
Rid3_FaM0uS Track Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Wapakoneta, Ohio Posts: 506 Drives: 2011 BS Nismo 370z Rep Power: 45	did you change the VVEL actuator assy and/or install new cam shafts? if not the FSM states in bold letters strictly to not perform the reset sequence __________________ Always under construction. . .

10-22-2014, 07:26 PM	#20 (permalink)
juld0zer Enthusiast Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Sydney Posts: 428 Drives: 11 Nissan 370Z MB M6 Rep Power: 139	can you please elaborate on the VVEL learning process? i adjusted my bank 1 VVEL shaft sensor to factory spec and it matches the bank 2 sensor under the adjustment precondition mode

10-22-2014, 10:44 PM	#22 (permalink)
juld0zer Enthusiast Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Sydney Posts: 428 Drives: 11 Nissan 370Z MB M6 Rep Power: 139	doesn't the preconditioning procedure put it in the 5 degree position?

10-23-2014, 09:24 AM	#24 (permalink)
juld0zer Enthusiast Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Sydney Posts: 428 Drives: 11 Nissan 370Z MB M6 Rep Power: 139	yeah i know that.. every VVEL related technical document i've trawled up in my quest to learn more/cure my car has stated not to touch the sensors or actuators unless absolutely neccessary. If one part is disturbed, the entire lot is to be replaced. I took a calculated gamble and went ahead with the adjustment procedure on bank 1 because at idle and under the adjustment precondition mode, it was out of spec by 0.001v, and also reading +0.05v higher than bank 2. Surely, if the system was indeed that sensitive that any disturbance in its life, whether accidental or intentional would mandate replacement of all parts then the bolts would be of a more tamper deterrent type, possibly even paint marked at assembly. The variances might sound very very tiny but i do believe the VVEL system is very sensitive and that 0.05v might translate into a few degrees or few fractiona of degrees of lift. Either way, if both banks are balanced then in theory the system would run even better - imo at least. I did say a final prayer before i cracked the bolts loose and held my breath. No turning back now. I actually originally wanted to adjust both banks but when i hooked up Cipher i noticed that bank 2 was very close to spec. (0.499v actual vs 0.500v +/- 0.048v spec). So i let it be. It was quite easy to adjust but i quickly realised just how sensitive these sensors are. It didnt take much rotation to balance it with bank 2. For anyone who is unsure about the VVEL relay and its location, in my 2011 AUDM RHD Z it is accessible by removing the plastic frame surrounding the battery hatch where there is a small box. The relay is the one as per the label on the lid. For me, that meant the relay nearest to the firewall. Both are identical, Japanese relays which is contrary to the Chinese made relays another member here found in his earlier model Z. Perhaps Nissan realised there was a fault and switched to Japanese relays in later models? I read somewhere that Nissan mislabelled the lid or the fsm but i'm not sure what model years are affected. It might have actually been the G37.. The other relay is for the cooling fans So, in summary, i replaced no parts and removed no parts. I only backed off the bolts sufficient to allow movement of the sensor for the adjustment procedure. I performed the adjustment in a bid to cure my random loss of throttle response. The car idles perfectly and runs perfectly, with no hint of any ill effects of disturbing the sensors (both sensors were actually disconnected as i was intending on adjusting both). After throwing over $1000 in parts to try and cure the problem, i deemed the risk to be acceptable. I was well aware of what may happen but felr reassured by the several trouble-free reassembly stories other members here have shared when they removed the VVEL to upgrade cams or perform other repairs. These VVEL control shaft position sensors are similar to modern throttle position sensors fitted to cable mechanically operated throttle bodies. I don't recommend everyone go out there and start fiddling with their VVEL sensors. Not unless you have explored all other avenues, understand the risks and have the proper equipment. It can be done with a multimeter and wire piercing probes but i imagine this would be very fiddly and require an assistant. I used Cipher and a laptop resting on the brake fluid hatch, arse up in the air while kneeling on the radiator core support. Easily accessible with no other parts requiring removal. Bolts have a 10mm head. Use a ratcheting spanner for ease. (side note: i have removed the coolant lines to both throttle bodies so there might be some hoses in the way for stock cars). So far for me, the results are promising. SRM works better than ever. No jolts between shifts even with sloppy pedal actuation, exactly as advertised. Crisp throttle response. Perfect idle. I will report back if/when i re-encounter my issue. Thanks everyone Elmo370z and Aroddey19 like this.

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