GT Motorsports: 370Z Supercharger system development

m4a1mustang · 01-31-2010, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MMC Racing

Doesn't surprise me that one vendor would talk down about another vendor's product based off a picture. Happens every day. Worth about 1 shiny penny to me. Products will reveal themselves all in good time. If product A is ****, people will not buy product A (all things being equal such as price)...

Well, if I ever learned anything in management, it's that the consumer will base his or her decision based on two of the following three qualities:

Cost
Performance
Quality

You can't have all three!

fstrnldr · 01-31-2010, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MMC Racing

Doesn't surprise me that one vendor would talk down about another vendor's product based off a picture. Happens every day. Worth about 1 shiny penny to me. Products will reveal themselves all in good time. If product A is ****, people will not buy product A (all things being equal such as price)...

I don't know if that is necessarily the case. Sam commented on things only after i brought them up and others questioned them. Its not like he came on here posting bad things about the Stillen kit, only answering questions. I probably shouldn't have mentioned them, but i honestly was disappointed in the Stillen set up. With everything they talked about in the earlier thread, i was anxious to see there design, and had good visions of the kit in my head. First of the Lysholm unit, and then when they said V3, (while i'm not a fan of the Vortech units) i was still hopefull for some VERY clean piping running right out of the charger directly into TB's (positioned on the drivers side) about 6 inches away. Then i saw the pics. Not at all what i expected, and it raised more than a couple of questions both in function and form.

I was planning on keeping these to myself, but had a momentary lapse in judgment earlier and posted my true thoughts.

MMC Racing · 01-31-2010, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by fstrnldr

I don't know if that is necessarily the case. Sam commented on things only after i brought them up and others questioned them. Its not like he came on here posting bad things about the Stillen kit, only answering questions. I probably shouldn't have mentioned them, but i honestly was disappointed in the Stillen set up. With everything they talked about in the earlier thread, i was anxious to see there design, and had good visions of the kit in my head. First of the Lysholm unit, and then when they said V3, (while i'm not a fan of the Vortech units) i was still hopefull for some VERY clean piping running right out of the charger directly into TB's (positioned on the drivers side) about 6 inches away. Then i saw the pics. Not at all what i expected, and it raised more than a couple of questions both in function and form.

I was planning on keeping these to myself, but had a momentary lapse in judgment earlier and posted my true thoughts.

If Sam had HANDS ON experience with the kit, then I would have valued his opinion at 25 cents. He should have taken the high road.

MMC Racing · 01-31-2010, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Well, if I ever learned anything in management, it's that the consumer will base his or her decision based on two of the following three qualities:

Cost
Performance
Quality

You can't have all three!

The flaw in that famous line of thinking is the lack of timeline in the equation. On a long enough timeline, all 3 can usually be achieved through technological advancement.

gleonard · 01-31-2010, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MMC Racing

The flaw in that famous line of thinking is the lack of timeline in the equation. On a long enough timeline, all 3 can usually be achieved through technological advancement.

the problem is that the quote is actually price, speed(of delivery), quality... choose any two.

performance can be lumped in with quality.

my 2 cents

m4a1mustang · 01-31-2010, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by gleonard

the problem is that the quote is actually price, speed(of delivery), quality... choose any two.

performance can be lumped in with quality.

my 2 cents

You can have a "quality" product that does not perform as well as another product of inferior quality.

NYBladeZ · 01-31-2010, 08:31 PM

As much as I value Sam's take on the stillen kit it's the GTM release I'm waiting on how bout some info on that!

Buddy Revell · 01-31-2010, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SAM@GTM

I would not call it ripping apart… I think technical questions and concerns should be welcomed any time .

Wouldn't you rather somebody bring up the mass air flow sensors placement issue before you invest in a supercharged kit with air temp compensation that has been completely thrown out the window ?

Sam

Interesting point. I welcome a technical conversation about the positives and negatives of each kit before I put down such a large chunk of money on either kit. Thanks, Sam.

Buddy Revell · 01-31-2010, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MMC Racing

If Sam had HANDS ON experience with the kit, then I would have valued his opinion at 25 cents. He should have taken the high road.

I guess if you want to split hairs, he could've brought it up in the form of a question, like "How is Stillen going to account for the fact that the MAFs are taking readings before the intake charge is cooled?" since, yes, he doesn't have first-hand knowledge about the Stillen kit. However, it's absolutely fine to bring up the issue for discussion, hopefully with the Stillen guys sharing their perspective about this issue, since they do have first-hand knowledge about how everything will work in their kit.

CrownR426 · 01-31-2010, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Well, if I ever learned anything in management, it's that the consumer will base his or her decision based on two of the following three qualities:

Cost
Performance
Quality

You can't have all three!

Sure you can, if you have the money!

m4a1mustang · 01-31-2010, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by CrownR426

Sure you can, if you have the money!

No, because if you have the money cost is not a factor!

SAM@GTM · 01-31-2010, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddy Revell

Interesting point. I welcome a technical conversation about the positives and negatives of each kit before I put down such a large chunk of money on either kit. Thanks, Sam.

Yes, that is the way it should be and it is for everyone best interest so you guys can make an informed decision.

Sam

SAM@GTM · 01-31-2010, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MMC Racing

Doesn't surprise me that one vendor would talk down about another vendor's product based off a picture. Happens every day. Worth about 1 shiny penny to me. Products will reveal themselves all in good time. If product A is ****, people will not buy product A (all things being equal such as price)...

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Originally Posted by MMC Racing

If Sam had HANDS ON experience with the kit, then I would have valued his opinion at 25 cents. He should have taken the high road.

And i would not even value your input for 1 shiny penny, Somebody asked a technical questions and i answerd it, that is what i do here .

You have a problem with my answer or you did not see the value in it then fine goahead and challenge it and explain to me how's having hands on experience on the stillen kit will have anything to do with the facts that I stated in regards to the air temp reading.

Sam

kdoske · 01-31-2010, 09:21 PM

iceman21_23 · 01-31-2010, 09:26 PM

sam don't worry about it; let the haters hate. The GTM kit is sounding very promising and im looking forward to one day putting this kit on my car. Thank you for taking the time and dedication to develop such a kit for the 370z community. The more competition the better it is for all of us 370z enthusiast.

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NYBladeZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: New York Posts: 2,158 Drives: Lotus Exige S Rep Power: 21	As much as I value Sam's take on the stillen kit it's the GTM release I'm waiting on how bout some info on that! __________________ 2009 Carbon Fiber/Red 370z aka Trish: Sports Package, Meisterschaft full catback, Fast Intentions Longtube Headers, Injen Long Tube Intakes, UpRev Tune: Sold 2008 Lotus Exige S Club Racer aka Bella, always leaves me smiling

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