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Originally Posted by djtodd The stock 12+ cooler is a waste. It provides almost no value if you have an external cooler. All it does it get in the way,

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Old 12-29-2013, 11:16 PM   #1 (permalink)
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The stock 12+ cooler is a waste. It provides almost no value if you have an external cooler. All it does it get in the way, make oil filter changes a pain in the ***, and add weight. It was a pitiful attempt by Nissan.

Even when I had it on, I needed to use a block-off panel over the external cooler during the winter, so I didn't see it adding any benefit of helping bring the oil up to temp.
how does it affect oil changes. Maybe I'm way off but I thought it was all internally contained within the radiator/ block.

Found this post by Z1 awhile ago

http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-g...ml#post1489802
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how does it affect oil changes. Maybe I'm way off but I thought it was all internally contained within the radiator/ block.

Found this post by Z1 awhile ago

http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-g...ml#post1489802
The stock cooler is basically a REALLY crappy oil/water heat exchanger. The part we're talking about eliminating is the small sandwich plate that fits between the block and the oil filter. It's part #1 in this pic.



It's probably about 1" - 1.5" thick.
If you add an external cooler on top of that, there is VERY little clearance when changing the filter. You also can only use the "short" filters, and not some of the taller ones like the bigger Purolator (can remember part#).

I also read that other post. I get that in theory it should help, but having tested an external cooler with and without the stock cooler, it made zero difference in warm up times, etc. That's why many of us use a block-off plate that fits over the external cooler core for the winter. I made mine out of aluminum sheet and industrial velcro. Cost me maybe $10 in material. Others have used something as simple as cardboard.
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The stock cooler is basically a REALLY crappy oil/water heat exchanger. The part we're talking about eliminating is the small sandwich plate that fits between the block and the oil filter. It's part #1 in this pic.



It's probably about 1" - 1.5" thick.
If you add an external cooler on top of that, there is VERY little clearance when changing the filter. You also can only use the "short" filters, and not some of the taller ones like the bigger Purolator (can remember part#).

I also read that other post. I get that in theory it should help, but having tested an external cooler with and without the stock cooler, it made zero difference in warm up times, etc. That's why many of us use a block-off plate that fits over the external cooler core for the winter. I made mine out of aluminum sheet and industrial velcro. Cost me maybe $10 in material. Others have used something as simple as cardboard.
The taller Purolator PureONE Filter is #14610

The shorter Purolator PureONE Filter is #14612
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The stock cooler is basically a REALLY crappy oil/water heat exchanger. The part we're talking about eliminating is the small sandwich plate that fits between the block and the oil filter. It's part #1 in this pic.



It's probably about 1" - 1.5" thick.
If you add an external cooler on top of that, there is VERY little clearance when changing the filter. You also can only use the "short" filters, and not some of the taller ones like the bigger Purolator (can remember part#).

I also read that other post. I get that in theory it should help, but having tested an external cooler with and without the stock cooler, it made zero difference in warm up times, etc. That's why many of us use a block-off plate that fits over the external cooler core for the winter. I made mine out of aluminum sheet and industrial velcro. Cost me maybe $10 in material. Others have used something as simple as cardboard.
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thanks for the information. So if I'm reading the diagram right you can go all out as Phunk said or could you just just connect tube #9 inlet and outlet ends to themselves and be fine? Dj what route did you go with?

thanks guys. If you reply maybe just PM, don't really want to highjack a TT FI thread for oil cooling
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thanks for the information. So if I'm reading the diagram right you can go all out as Phunk said or could you just just connect tube #9 inlet and outlet ends to themselves and be fine? Dj what route did you go with?

thanks guys. If you reply maybe just PM, don't really want to highjack a TT FI thread for oil cooling
Well, you would technically loop the front of pipe 12 to the front of pipe 13 to bypass the heat exchanger. But I wouldnt recommend that because its a large coolant "leak". You really want to eliminate the flow all together.

It looks like Fast Intentions is supplying a blockoff plate to eliminate pipe 12, and a plug for probably the front of pipe 13. I am not sure if thats with their turbo kit or oil cooler kit or what not, i havent been reading enough.
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