RJ MFG Supercharger kit Feeler...

daveb91 · 12-05-2016, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChaseZ

I like he idea of the Procharger, but keeping it under the hood isn't in our favour. Otherwise I'd be all over it like white on rice.

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TopgunZ · 12-06-2016, 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChaseZ

I like he idea of the Procharger, but keeping it under the hood isn't in our favour. Otherwise I'd be all over it like white on rice. That is if I hadn't just committed to the V3 route.

I am not following this statement for some reason. What do you mean by keeping it under the hood isn't in our favor?

JARblue · 11-30-2016, 01:49 PM

I voted in the poll because it says "What kind of Supercharger kit would you like us to make?". And I voted for roots style because I say kudos to innovation - too bad it'll take a lot of work.

However, I don't think I would buy a SC for my Z.

tiller · 11-30-2016, 02:08 PM

Rotrex!!! C38 is a great unit
I wish they made a c40 lol ��

B&W_Evader · 11-30-2016, 02:25 PM

California guy here, not going to deal with non-CARB vehicle again.

Needs to be a CARB kit
Needs to have A2A cooler
Needs to have MAF and temp sensors in the right place
Needs to be quiet, get rid of the rattly pulley/bearing noise
Avoid needing a $1000 ECU Tuning package
Avoid needing a bunch of misc upgrades to support kit
Produce a real 500WHP with stock Cat and aftermarket exhaust

RJ MFG · 11-30-2016, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B&W_Evader

California guy here, not going to deal with non-CARB vehicle again.

Needs to be a CARB kit
Needs to have A2A cooler
Needs to have MAF and temp sensors in the right place
Needs to be quiet, get rid of the rattly pulley/bearing noise
Avoid needing a $1000 ECU Tuning package
Avoid needing a bunch of misc upgrades to support kit
Produce a real 500WHP with stock Cat and aftermarket exhaust

We will see what we can do.

Senna-F1 · 11-30-2016, 03:30 PM

Can you talk a little bit about efficiencies of each option? I want my engine to last for 10+ years and 150,000+ miles. I'm looking to limit TQ to 350 FT/LBS @ the wheels. One of the reasons I would prefer turbo over SC is because with the SC, the engine needs to produce the extra power needed to run the SC, so I give up some extra wear and tear for a given HP target compared to a turbo. I've read differing views on how much power is being robbed, but that would be good info to have when comparing to turbo and even among the available SC options you've listed here.

avery370z · 11-30-2016, 04:54 PM

Id cut my hood in a minute for a roots type supercharger!!!!!

Senna-F1 · 12-01-2016, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Senna-F1

Can you talk a little bit about efficiencies of each option? I want my engine to last for 10+ years and 150,000+ miles. I'm looking to limit TQ to 350 FT/LBS @ the wheels. One of the reasons I would prefer turbo over SC is because with the SC, the engine needs to produce the extra power needed to run the SC, so I give up some extra wear and tear for a given HP target compared to a turbo. I've read differing views on how much power is being robbed, but that would be good info to have when comparing to turbo and even among the available SC options you've listed here.

Well, let me see if I can answer myself. From Whipple's own page.

https://whipplesuperchargers.com/ind...&product_id=98

BTW, Whipple is not a Roots supercharger, it's a Twin Screw.

lj909 · 12-01-2016, 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Senna-F1

BTW, Whipple is not a Roots supercharger, it's a Twin Screw.

Um, let's not start taking about "roots" or "twin screw"
There ALL top mount positive displacement superchargers

1slow370 · 12-02-2016, 02:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B&W_Evader

California guy here, not going to deal with non-CARB vehicle again.

Needs to be a CARB kit

Avoid needing a $1000 ECU Tuning package
Avoid needing a bunch of misc upgrades to support kit
Produce a real 500WHP with stock Cat and aftermarket exhaust

this is just too much. 500whp is going to require $k's in support mods, including at least $1200 in ecu and fuel tuning stuff especially if you are going to pass carb which with 500whp you won't you just can't make that power cleanly on this size motor, hell it barely passes smog as it is and you certainly arent getting to 500whp with factory cats. 400+whp and a kit that costs 7k are doable but you are still going to need a clutch unless you want to get your car painted in authentic jesus blood, sancitfied by at least an arch bishop, and pray that your stock clutch, stock fuel pump, stock cats, and stock ecu are going to hold up to double the manufactures rated horsepower. next tell him you want a 30,000mile b2b warranty while you're at it.

Kzonts · 01-07-2017, 12:42 PM

We would need a newly designed strut tower brace for the root system. Correct?

WillVHR · 02-17-2017, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B&W_Evader

California guy here, not going to deal with non-CARB vehicle again.

Needs to be a CARB kit
Needs to have A2A cooler
Needs to have MAF and temp sensors in the right place
Needs to be quiet, get rid of the rattly pulley/bearing noise
Avoid needing a $1000 ECU Tuning package
Avoid needing a bunch of misc upgrades to support kit
Produce a real 500WHP with stock Cat and aftermarket exhaust

Yes to all of the above. **** water-to-air.

I say this as someone who runs water-to-air and plans on going air-to-air.

F-U-C-K water-to-air. End. Stop. Speaking this from personal experience.

TopgunZ · 02-17-2017, 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WillVHR

Yes to all of the above. **** water-to-air.

I say this as someone who runs water-to-air and plans on going air-to-air.

F-U-C-K water-to-air. End. Stop. Speaking this from personal experience.

Then you will never run a positive displacement blower as they require Water and Water only. Water to air isn't terrible. It only is when it's under engineered for a given amount of horsepower.

PD blowers can make some insane power and keep intake temps under control, when they are designed correctly.

To say they are Crap is saying that cars like the cts-v is Crap. Guys are pushing that setup to over 750whp, on water without issues. It was done right.

Daily driven Whipple vettes and stangs are making 800+ to the wheels on water all day.

Don't count it out, but the design needs to be legit.

WillVHR · 02-23-2017, 02:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TopgunZ

Then you will never run a positive displacement blower as they require Water and Water only. Water to air isn't terrible. It only is when it's under engineered for a given amount of horsepower.

PD blowers can make some insane power and keep intake temps under control, when they are designed correctly.

To say they are Crap is saying that cars like the cts-v is Crap. Guys are pushing that setup to over 750whp, on water without issues. It was done right.

Daily driven Whipple vettes and stangs are making 800+ to the wheels on water all day.

Don't count it out, but the design needs to be legit.

That's good to know.

I'll be switching to your A2A once I get my tax return by the way.

View Poll Results: What kind of Supercharger kit would you like us to make?
Rotrex C38 based system	54	23.79%
Vortech/Procharger Based Kit	40	17.62%
Whipple Positive Displacement Roots Kit	109	48.02%
I dont want a supercharger.	24	10.57%
Voters: 227. You may not vote on this poll

11-30-2016, 01:49 PM	#3 (permalink)
JARblue A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Austin, TX Age: 44 Posts: 36,450 Drives: 11 Z34, 98 E36 M3 Rep Power: 2684441	I voted in the poll because it says "What kind of Supercharger kit would you like us to make?". And I voted for roots style because I say kudos to innovation - too bad it'll take a lot of work. However, I don't think I would buy a SC for my Z. 370Zsteve, EZT, TopgunZ and 1 others like this. __________________ 2011 370Z 6MT Sport Gun Metallic \| ARC \| CJM \| Ecutek \| FI \| Fujimura \| R2C \| SPL \| Stillen \| TWM \| Z1 \| ZSpeed \|

11-30-2016, 02:25 PM	#5 (permalink)
B&W_Evader Track Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: CA Posts: 972 Drives: slower than before Rep Power: 387	California guy here, not going to deal with non-CARB vehicle again. Needs to be a CARB kit Needs to have A2A cooler Needs to have MAF and temp sensors in the right place Needs to be quiet, get rid of the rattly pulley/bearing noise Avoid needing a $1000 ECU Tuning package Avoid needing a bunch of misc upgrades to support kit Produce a real 500WHP with stock Cat and aftermarket exhaust 370Zsteve, Felix 808, WillVHR and 6 others like this. __________________ \|RIP\|6spd-sport\|OSG-LSD\|XP8\|RBF600\|Eibach Sways\|RE-71R\|FI-34Row\|Gen3-CAI\|Yaw P.S.\|

11-30-2016, 03:30 PM	#7 (permalink)
Senna-F1 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Cary, NC Age: 54 Posts: 425 Drives: 370SC,EliseSC,MR2T Rep Power: 51	Can you talk a little bit about efficiencies of each option? I want my engine to last for 10+ years and 150,000+ miles. I'm looking to limit TQ to 350 FT/LBS @ the wheels. One of the reasons I would prefer turbo over SC is because with the SC, the engine needs to produce the extra power needed to run the SC, so I give up some extra wear and tear for a given HP target compared to a turbo. I've read differing views on how much power is being robbed, but that would be good info to have when comparing to turbo and even among the available SC options you've listed here. Scooped likes this.

11-30-2016, 04:54 PM	#8 (permalink)
avery370z Base Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Fort Worth,Texas Posts: 153 Drives: 2014 370z w/ Sp Pkg Rep Power: 12	Id cut my hood in a minute for a roots type supercharger!!!!! 370Zsteve, James10694, imazman and 1 others like this.

11-30-2016, 02:08 PM	#4 (permalink)
tiller Enthusiast Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: ontario Posts: 370 Drives: 09 370z touring Rep Power: 15	Rotrex!!! C38 is a great unit I wish they made a c40 lol ��

01-07-2017, 12:42 PM	#12 (permalink)
Kzonts Track Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Greenville, SC Age: 62 Posts: 891 Drives: 2019 Roadster Rep Power: 200742	We would need a newly designed strut tower brace for the root system. Correct? __________________ 2019 Magnetic Black Roadster FI Exhaust \| EVO-R Rear Diffuser \| Artwork Bodyshop Front Splitter \| Tuned By Specialty Z

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