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G3RSTY7 09-25-2017 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by TopgunZ (Post 3693335)
Hi Nick. I got your vmail. I will not be able to take your money just yet. However, I do ship and if anything I need a good reason to head back to Colorado and go skiing soon. :tup:
Sounds good, let me know what you need from me and what do you think the timeframe is for the next batch?

TopgunZ 09-26-2017 08:09 AM
Overture you have a PM
G3RSTY7 you have a PM

wideglideleon 10-02-2017 04:25 PM
TOPGUNZ
you have a pm ready to update to the 60degree upgrade and tial BOV. Also going 9lb pulley since I had my auto trans done by level 10.

TBatt 10-04-2017 10:43 AM
I've got two more additional pulley kits ready to ship if anyone needs one. PM me for details.

Thanks for all of the orders!

TopgunZ 10-05-2017 10:04 PM
I hope to have some good news next week...boost related.

perez519 10-06-2017 08:54 AM
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Even with anti-slip pulley, no change on the dyno! Same tuner and dyno who's been doing my car for 4 years now. I'm still not making 9psi? And only making 7.5psi according to his dyno. As you can see my torque also dips down a bit on mid power. Any ideas guys? Link here on IG for more info on my mods list https://instagram.com/p/BZ5KvuSDMrE/batt great product btw and love the sense of humor on the instruction lol.


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perez519 10-06-2017 11:46 AM
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Even with anti-slip pulley, no change on the dyno! Same tuner and dyno who's been doing my car for 4 years now. I'm still not making 9psi? And only making 7.5psi according to his dyno. As you can see my torque also dips down a bit on mid power. Any ideas guys? Link here on IG for more info on my mods list https://instagram.com/p/BZ5KvuSDMrE/batt great product btw and love the sense of humor on the instruction lol.


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TBatt 10-09-2017 08:55 AM
It looks like you are running the stock Stillen system. That is where your problem is, you need the A2A kit.

What pulley did you install for the 9psi upgrade, the Stillen or the Vortech?

The Stillen pulley mounts on the engine driven jackshaft and my kit will prevent slip on that side but the SC drive belt may be the problem.

By using my kit on the serpentine drive belt and using the Vortech 2A038-295 pulley and replacing the SC idler pulley with a Gates #36225 you should not get any belt slip.

Kamillio 10-09-2017 09:33 AM
Topgunz - air to air upgrade
 
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Originally Posted by TBatt (Post 3698949)
It looks like you are running the stock Stillen system. That is where your problem is, you need the A2A kit.

What pulley did you install for the 9psi upgrade, the Stillen or the Vortech?

The Stillen pulley mounts on the engine driven jackshaft and my kit will prevent slip on that side but the SC drive belt may be the problem.

By using my kit on the serpentine drive belt and using the Vortech 2A038-295 pulley and replacing the SC idler pulley with a Gates #36225 you should not get any belt slip.


Just as a personal note, I am running A2A and your kit to prevent slippage. I make only 6.5psi on stock pulleys while I should be making 8psi. The MAP sensor says I'm making 8, but my boost gauge and fuel pressure regulator say I'm making 6.5. The gauge and FPR are teed of the same line that the BOV uses to the Stillen intake manifold. Everything is clamped tight and readings are consistent.


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overtureZ 10-09-2017 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Kamillio (Post 3698962)
Just as a personal note, I am running A2A and your kit to prevent slippage. I make only 6.5psi on stock pulleys while I should be making 8psi. The MAP sensor says I'm making 8, but my boost gauge and fuel pressure regulator say I'm making 6.5. The gauge and FPR are teed of the same line that the BOV uses to the Stillen intake manifold. Everything is clamped tight and readings are consistent.


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You could have a very minor crimp or hard angle in the boost line running to your gauge.

Kamillio 10-09-2017 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by overtureZ (Post 3698984)
You could have a very minor crimp or hard angle in the boost line running to your gauge.


The only hard angles in the entire system are the tees to the gauge/fpr. Other than that everything is a nice high radius curve.


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perez519 10-09-2017 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by TBatt (Post 3698949)
It looks like you are running the stock Stillen system. That is where your problem is, you need the A2A kit.

What pulley did you install for the 9psi upgrade, the Stillen or the Vortech?

The Stillen pulley mounts on the engine driven jackshaft and my kit will prevent slip on that side but the SC drive belt may be the problem.

By using my kit on the serpentine drive belt and using the Vortech 2A038-295 pulley and replacing the SC idler pulley with a Gates #36225 you should not get any belt slip.


I'm running stillen 9psi pulley they provided 2 years ago. Yes that will be the next step now is to get Topgunz A2A kit. At same time I will probably replace the impeller and bearings while I'm at it.

So do I need to replace my idler pulley on the SC side? https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...7a55132858.jpg


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TBatt 10-10-2017 08:48 AM
I don't think that will work in your case. The amount of adjustment on the SC belt tension is very limited. If you increase the pulley diameter to the 64mm one that I'm using it may make it too tight. The larger pulley DOES work if you use the Vortech SC pulley # 2A038-295 instead of the Stillen pulley.

TBatt 10-10-2017 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Kamillio (Post 3698962)
Just as a personal note, I am running A2A and your kit to prevent slippage. I make only 6.5psi on stock pulleys while I should be making 8psi. The MAP sensor says I'm making 8, but my boost gauge and fuel pressure regulator say I'm making 6.5. The gauge and FPR are teed of the same line that the BOV uses to the Stillen intake manifold. Everything is clamped tight and readings are consistent.


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Which MAP sensor are you using? The stock sensor was not designed to read pressure so it could be off. I'm using the Nissan GTR sensor that SpecialtyZ sells along with there remote tune package. My AEM boost gauge and the GTR sensor agree with each other.

When I was looking for a boost leak I made a leak tester and pressurized the system up to 8psi and both of the sensors read the same (engine not running) during the test. The leak showed up around 3psi if I remember correctly. If you have an aircompressor and a good pressure regulator I'll be glad to loan you my tester that I made.

Top, do you have any words of wisdom that you can share?

overtureZ 10-10-2017 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by TBatt (Post 3699202)
Which MAP sensor are you using? The stock sensor was not designed to read pressure so it could be off. I'm using the Nissan GTR sensor that SpecialtyZ sells along with there remote tune package. My AEM boost gauge and the GTR sensor agree with each other.

When I was looking for a boost leak I made a leak tester and pressurized the system up to 8psi and both of the sensors read the same (engine not running) during the test. The leak showed up around 3psi if I remember correctly. If you have an aircompressor and a good pressure regulator I'll be glad to loan you my tester that I made.

Top, do you have any words of wisdom that you can share?
Did the leak make your car idle funny? Run rich?

perez519 10-10-2017 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by TBatt (Post 3699202)
Which MAP sensor are you using? The stock sensor was not designed to read pressure so it could be off. I'm using the Nissan GTR sensor that SpecialtyZ sells along with there remote tune package. My AEM boost gauge and the GTR sensor agree with each other.



When I was looking for a boost leak I made a leak tester and pressurized the system up to 8psi and both of the sensors read the same (engine not running) during the test. The leak showed up around 3psi if I remember correctly. If you have an aircompressor and a good pressure regulator I'll be glad to loan you my tester that I made.



Top, do you have any words of wisdom that you can share?


Yes I have GTR map sensors. But for some reason they still over range and the map code still came back. So I got my tuner to disable that map code.

I don't think I have a vacuum leak I've checked all the lines. I could do a vacuum test as you mention and find out.

I'm using greddy infometer touch boost sensor and gauge. It's digital and connects via OBT-2 live. The monitor can record hi peak of the boost. The weird thing is, it says I hit 9.3 psi at 7600rpm. But during dyno it only shows 7.5-7.7psi max and my tuner could see on top end the power when the car start to slip or not get anymore psi.


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perez519 10-10-2017 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by perez519 (Post 3699358)
Yes I have GTR map sensors. But for some reason they still over range and the map code still came back. So I got my tuner to disable that map code.

I don't think I have a vacuum leak I've checked all the lines. I could do a vacuum test as you mention and find out.

I'm using greddy infometer touch boost sensor and gauge. It's digital and connects via OBT-2 live. The monitor can record hi peak of the boost. The weird thing is, it says I hit 9.3 psi at 7600rpm. But during dyno it only shows 7.5-7.7psi max and my tuner could see on top end the power when the car start to slip or not get anymore psi.


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Also can anyone explain the mid power dip on torque? As you can see the top dyno was done October 2016 and the only changes I made was put on Tbatt anti-slip pulley. Hoping to fix my top end slip and get 9psi.

Is it possible it slipping on the SC idler pulley also? I'm using 9lb pulley provided by stillen btw.



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Jayhovah 10-11-2017 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by perez519 (Post 3699359)
Also can anyone explain the mid power dip on torque? As you can see the top dyno was done October 2016 and the only changes I made was put on Tbatt anti-slip pulley. Hoping to fix my top end slip and get 9psi.

Is it possible it slipping on the SC idler pulley also? I'm using 9lb pulley provided by stillen btw.
What clutch are you running (assuming your are MT)?

My dyno had a similar dip in the middle and it was my OEM clutch starting to slip.

http://www.the370z.com/attachments/f...ztt-538whp.jpg

perez519 10-11-2017 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Jayhovah (Post 3699421)
What clutch are you running (assuming your are MT)?



My dyno had a similar dip in the middle and it was my OEM clutch starting to slip.



http://www.the370z.com/attachments/f...ztt-538whp.jpg


Using Southbend TZ Kevlar/ fly wheel/ Zspeed CSC kit. My torque is only at 339tq.


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TBatt 10-11-2017 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by overtureZ (Post 3699209)
Did the leak make your car idle funny? Run rich?
No it didn't because the leak was at the exit of the intercooler which is still before the MAF sensors. The leak only affected my boost or lack of it. When I installed the A2A kit I missed tightening the clamps that hold the coupler from the intercooler to the intake pipe with the MAF sensors on it. It was very embarrassing.....:icon14:

TBatt 10-11-2017 10:12 AM
The top graph looks like classic belt slip to me. The bottom one looks like a tuning issue.

Did you do any changes to the exhaust such as removing the stock cats and going to test pipes?

Kamillio 10-11-2017 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by TBatt (Post 3699202)
Which MAP sensor are you using? The stock sensor was not designed to read pressure so it could be off. I'm using the Nissan GTR sensor that SpecialtyZ sells along with there remote tune package. My AEM boost gauge and the GTR sensor agree with each other.



When I was looking for a boost leak I made a leak tester and pressurized the system up to 8psi and both of the sensors read the same (engine not running) during the test. The leak showed up around 3psi if I remember correctly. If you have an aircompressor and a good pressure regulator I'll be glad to loan you my tester that I made.



Top, do you have any words of wisdom that you can share?


I have the Omni 4bar sensor from Specialty Z. I have an air compressor, I do have to see if I have a pressure regulator or a friend of mine has one. But both sensors reading different numbers makes no sense regardless of boost leak or not.


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perez519 10-11-2017 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by TBatt (Post 3699442)
The top graph looks like classic belt slip to me. The bottom one looks like a tuning issue.

Did you do any changes to the exhaust such as removing the stock cats and going to test pipes?


Yeah talking to my tuner now. He also thinks it might be Uprev's ROM updates! But not sure yet.

No changes to exhaust system. Just the anti- slip pulley kits and a re-tune to clean up the top end. Was hoping to pick up 9psi and little more top end power.


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TBatt 10-11-2017 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Kamillio (Post 3699455)
I have the Omni 4bar sensor from Specialty Z. I have an air compressor, I do have to see if I have a pressure regulator or a friend of mine has one. But both sensors reading different numbers makes no sense regardless of boost leak or not.


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I agree. They should be close at least.

TopgunZ 10-15-2017 09:40 AM
Well supercharger fans we have some good news on the boost front.

I will be offering a full, standalone supercharger system that will easily put down the most power dollar for dollar than any other supercharger kit on the market. More details to come.

I can say that it will be a V3 headunit that comes with the Si upgrade out of the box.

nic370 10-15-2017 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by TopgunZ (Post 3700348)
Well supercharger fans we have some good news on the boost front.

I will be offering a full, standalone supercharger system that will easily put down the most power dollar for dollar than any other supercharger kit on the market. More details to come.

I can say that it will be a V3 headunit that comes with the Si upgrade out of the box.
That's awesome
Is it based on the system we have or have you changed things

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TopgunZ 10-15-2017 04:32 PM
Similar. But, no need to buy the stillen kit + the a2a kit. Plus it will already come with the upgraded supercharger and will cost hundreds less than anything available and Thousands less than other kits. It will keep safe stock motor limits yet reach the potential this motor is known to handle. Win win.

Think under $6k for tuner kit with turn key options! No hood to buy, chop, paint.

nic370 10-15-2017 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by TopgunZ (Post 3700396)
Similar. But, no need to buy the stillen kit + the a2a kit. Plus it will already come with the upgraded supercharger and will cost hundreds less than anything available and Thousands less than other kits. It will keep safe stock motor limits yet reach the potential this motor is known to handle. Win win.

Think under $6k for tuner kit with turn key options! No hood to buy, chop, paint.
That sounds awesome keep us posted I'll be sure to share the news this side of the pond for you
The UK needs this :cool:

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Senna-F1 10-15-2017 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by TopgunZ (Post 3700348)
Well supercharger fans we have some good news on the boost front.

I will be offering a full, standalone supercharger system that will easily put down the most power dollar for dollar than any other supercharger kit on the market. More details to come.

I can say that it will be a V3 headunit that comes with the Si upgrade out of the box.
Let’s make this man rich!

Kzonts 10-15-2017 05:54 PM
This is great news for "Z" owners since their won't be another anytime soon. Who knows, I might decide to do this late next year.

brucelidat 10-15-2017 07:14 PM
This is great news!

TopgunZ 10-15-2017 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Kzonts (Post 3700408)
This is great news for "Z" owners since their won't be another anytime soon. Who knows, I might decide to do this late next year.
You already have sweet supporting mods. Half way there. :happydance:

Senna-F1 10-15-2017 10:02 PM
Don't want to pollute this thread (so start a new one soon) :). But, will your kit make use of the stock TB location? Im already shopping for stuff I'll need. :)

TopgunZ 10-16-2017 08:17 AM
I will start a new thread soon once I have some pictures of the product layout and confirmed price points.

FYI all. The A2A upgrades to those who already have the stillen kit will still be offered.

overtureZ 10-16-2017 08:37 AM
Dang, I wish I would have waited for this instead of getting my stillen kit :shakes head:

nic370 10-16-2017 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by overtureZ (Post 3700519)
Dang, I wish I would have waited for this instead of getting my stillen kit :shakes head:
Your not the only one

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chuckie311 10-16-2017 09:25 AM
Will this new system work with your A2A kit...I haven’t bought the Stillen supercharger yet that was my plan for next year. If your kit is going to integrate with your A2A kit I’ll just wait and buy it

nic370 10-16-2017 09:27 AM
I can't wait to see where the filter is located and if we keep the crash bar
My bet is we will

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milkcow500 10-16-2017 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by chuckie311 (Post 3700530)
Will this new system work with your A2A kit...I haven’t bought the Stillen supercharger yet that was my plan for next year. If your kit is going to integrate with your A2A kit I’ll just wait and buy it
His kit will most likely utilize the stock manifold, so I'm going to speculate no.

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Jayhovah 10-16-2017 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by TopgunZ (Post 3700396)
Think under $6k for tuner kit with turn key options!
If this statement holds, you are going to sell a sh!tload of these things. Can't wait to see some pics and numbers.


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