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Pauly Z 06-02-2016 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by omG37S (Post 3491584)
Are you on pump gas Pauly?

Milkcow, is a 450 necessary for e85? I'm going to continue letting you be the guinea pig before I do anything to my G. I'll just purchase the Stillen kit and then wait on your results.

I really wish you would have dyno numbers on 93 octane and and e85 so I can determine if it is worth the extra.

Regardless, thanks for keeping us abreast. Best of luck on the build.



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I'm getting tuned on 93 octane. After that's dialed in I will tune for e85. You will be fine for e85 with 1000cc injectors and a 340 pump.

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milkcow500 06-02-2016 09:07 PM

The 450 is not necessary. I'm going to be doing my initial tune on 93 first and then move onto E85 (I'll be going flex fuel fyi) in maybe a month or so. From what Charles told me, the upgraded S1 + Walbro 450 will be a HUGE upgrade from where I 'would' be at right now. I'm pretty much going overboard, since I'm not even going to be running on the SI unit.

EVOHUNTER 06-03-2016 08:13 AM

Well atleast if you decide to go with a the SI, your fuel is already there.

Better safe than sorry.

2016 06-03-2016 11:08 AM

So is it better to go with the 340 aeromotive stealth pump or the 450 walbro pump for the e85/Stillen a2a?:ugh2::ugh2:

milkcow500 06-03-2016 11:49 AM

The 450 will be "better", but isn't necessary. Keep in mind, you need a fuel return kit with an external filter in order to run the 450. I know Topgunz had plans to go with the 450 eventually, but he is running the standard S1 kit right now.

TopgunZ 06-04-2016 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Upscale Speed (Post 3490971)
TopGunz what is the turn time on the kit shipping from the point of order/payment?

I hadn't been accepting payment untill I can ship kits the same day. However, with my vacation I took a few payments that will ship when I get back Monday.

Pauly Z 06-04-2016 05:37 PM

Does anyone know where to find idler pulleys by dementions? Autoparts store are useless.

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Pauly Z 06-04-2016 08:20 PM

I just measured the supercharger pulley on the serpentine side and it is 2.9" . Is this the normal pulley? I thought it was 3.1 or 3.2". Isn't this the pulley that gets changed to the 2.75" one for the 9 psi?

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JWillis72 06-04-2016 08:24 PM

It should be 3.2 or 3.1, I tried a 2.75 but that when my supercharger blew up. Don't use that with the 9lb pulley, that pulley alone is probably over spinning it or real close.


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Pauly Z 06-04-2016 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JWillis72 (Post 3492654)
It should be 3.2 or 3.1, I tried a 2.75 but that when my supercharger blew up. Don't use that with the 9lb pulley, that pulley alone is probably over spinning it or real close.


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I haven't changed any pulleys. They are all standard. Isn't the one on the serpentine side the one to replace for the 9lb upgrade?

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JWillis72 06-04-2016 08:28 PM

Did you buy it used?


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Pauly Z 06-04-2016 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JWillis72 (Post 3492658)
Did you buy it used?


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Yes I did. I measure them all earlier. The ones on the Jack's haft and supercharger (8 rib ones) are around 3.1". The one on the serpentine side is around 2.9". I'm only seeing 7 psi boost.

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JWillis72 06-04-2016 08:36 PM

Both on the jack shaft are the same size stock, I'm not positive on the size but I know it's in the big thread about a2a.

BOLIO 671 06-05-2016 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by TopgunZ (Post 3492431)
I hadn't been accepting payment untill I can ship kits the same day. However, with my vacation I took a few payments that will ship when I get back Monday.

So do u have a schedule? Do u take orders every 2 weeks, once a month? Trying to figure out timing so once funds are available I can place order.

milkcow500 06-06-2016 07:49 AM

Well, looks like another set back. Looks like I'm not having the best of luck. The CJM S1 upgrade kit that was sent to me was missing a line, so my shop has to make one, since it would take too long to have Charles send one out.

I asked Charles a last minute question about possibly hardwiring the Walbro 450 and he told me that we should probably upgrade the wiring, since it runs very hot on stock and probably wouldn't last. Parts should be here on Tuesday, so I'm hoping this will be it finally.

EVOHUNTER 06-06-2016 08:11 AM

jack and charger should be 3.20" on both sides. stock.

Pauly Z 06-06-2016 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by JWillis72 (Post 3492661)
Both on the jack shaft are the same size stock, I'm not positive on the size but I know it's in the big thread about a2a.

Where did you get the pulley for the serpentine side?

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TBatt 06-06-2016 08:15 AM

My Turbo Supra buddy loaned me a book to read this weekend "Engine Management Advanced Tuning" Engine Management: Advanced Tuning: Greg Banish: 9781932494426: Amazon.com: Books

Great source of info about turbo and supercharging. No less than two places in there it states that air temperature must be measured post cooler as close to the intake manifold as possible. Way to go TopgunZ!

If you really want to understand the how and whys of boost, this is a must read! It is also well written and easy to understand the concepts presented.

TopgunZ 06-06-2016 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Pauly Z (Post 3492652)
I just measured the supercharger pulley on the serpentine side and it is 2.9" . Is this the normal pulley? I thought it was 3.1 or 3.2". Isn't this the pulley that gets changed to the 2.75" one for the 9 psi?

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My Serp pulley is a 2.90" also. I bought my kit used too. I have that coupled with the 3.0 SC pulley and 3.2" JS pulley. It makes 12psi with the SI trim.

TopgunZ 06-06-2016 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by BOLIO 671 (Post 3492714)
So do u have a schedule? Do u take orders every 2 weeks, once a month? Trying to figure out timing so once funds are available I can place order.

I have basically just been going off who PM's me and says they want one and are ready with payment. Then I put them on the "for sure" list and get it to them as quickly as I can.

Right now I have 2 kits available that are not spoken for. If they both go before you are ready to grab one then it will be another 3 weeks before the next batch will be ready. The shop I am using to build the Y-pipes wants to do them in batches of 5 and they usually have about a 2 week lead time before they can start them after I tell them I would like them to be made. It then takes around a week to get them done, then they will ship.

jwick 06-06-2016 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by TBatt (Post 3493141)
My Turbo Supra buddy loaned me a book to read this weekend "Engine Management Advanced Tuning" Engine Management: Advanced Tuning: Greg Banish: 9781932494426: Amazon.com: Books

Great source of info about turbo and supercharging. No less than two places in there it states that air temperature must be measured post cooler as close to the intake manifold as possible. Way to go TopgunZ!

If you really want to understand the how and whys of boost, this is a must read! It is also well written and easy to understand the concepts presented.



Not read that one but I highly recommend Corky Bell's Maximum Boost too. It's for turbos but I think he made a SCer book too.

TBatt 06-06-2016 10:06 AM

One of the other books loaned to me is "TURBO Real World High-Performance Turbocharger Systems", by Jay K. Miller. It is very technical and includes lots of design aspects of building your own system. I mostly read the parts covering the compressor side of turbos which basically what a SC system is, just at lower rpm. Turbo compressors turn over 100K while sc turns well under that and needs to be sized accordingly. This book also has some great info on aftercoolers (the correct term that we should be using).

TBatt 06-06-2016 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3493194)
Not read that one but I highly recommend Corky Bell's Maximum Boost too. It's for turbos but I think he made a SCer book too.

I'll have to check that one out.

JWillis72 06-06-2016 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Pauly Z (Post 3493139)
Where did you get the pulley for the serpentine side?

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I didn't, I only changed the supercharger pulley, I got that from Vortech.

TBatt 06-06-2016 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JWillis72 (Post 3493332)
I didn't, I only changed the supercharger pulley, I got that from Vortech.

What size did you use and what was the boost?

JWillis72 06-06-2016 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TBatt (Post 3493337)
What size did you use and what was the boost?

I broke the first supercharger with a 2.75 then changed to a 3.0 for the second one, it was around 10psi but not 100 percent positive. I have long tube headers on my car so it's going to be less than others will see with cats. I don't know that over spinning the supercharger caused the first one to go but I wasn't chancing it. At the track my car sees red line hundreds of times in a weekend so it takes a lot more beating than most street cars.

TBatt 06-06-2016 08:15 PM

Thanks JWillis72. Mine, being a fair weather driver, will not see max boost too often.....but it will see it!

My Vortec pulleys came in today. I have a 3.4 and a 2.95 to play with. Between the stock 3.2 I might be able to find the 9-10 range.

JWillis72 06-06-2016 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TBatt (Post 3493489)
Thanks JWillis72. Mine, being a fair weather driver, will not see max boost too often.....but it will see it!

My Vortec pulleys came in today. I have a 3.4 and a 2.95 to play with. Between the stock 3.2 I might be able to find the 9-10 range.

go to the vortech calculator and figure out the numbers, I think the 2.95 with all the others stock should be about the max.

Pauly Z 06-06-2016 08:53 PM

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Tial came in today! They gave me the wrong clamp though. Now for some more waiting.

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EVOHUNTER 06-07-2016 08:32 AM

Ive ordered a 1.96" idler pulley and I ordered 14 different gates gator belts.

Im going to tackle this idler pulley on the serp side tonight, Ill find which belt/ pulley that works and ill return the other belts.

Pauly Z 06-07-2016 08:34 AM

Where you get a 1.9" idler pulley? Lol I could only find a 2.2".

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TBatt 06-07-2016 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by JWillis72 (Post 3493504)
go to the vortech calculator and figure out the numbers, I think the 2.95 with all the others stock should be about the max.

Thanks! Will check it out.

I have seen several people not getting the boost they were expecting with the stock kit. Some are only getting just over 7 psi. I'm aiming for 9 psi.

Anyway, that is for the tuner to work out based on what we see at WOT. Having the extra pulleys on hand will allow us to experiment.

EVOHUNTER 06-07-2016 08:50 AM

Napa has all kinds of pulleys, I just went down there, said show me all your pulleys, went through them all until I found the one I liked:)

Pauly Z 06-07-2016 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by EVOHUNTER (Post 3493735)
Napa has all kinds of pulleys, I just went down there, said show me all your pulleys, went through them all until I found the one I liked:)

Do you have a part number? I'm at Napa right now and they are telling me they have nothing that small.

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EVOHUNTER 06-07-2016 01:24 PM

its a dayco pulley, ill get you a PARt # when I get home

EVOHUNTER 06-07-2016 01:26 PM

You know what guys, I just realized..

The stock idler pulley on the supercharger side, the one that tensions up your supercharger belt, this pulley would work perfect. I have one laying around because I changed mine to a 3"

Pauly Z 06-07-2016 01:30 PM

Never thought of that. Haha

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JWillis72 06-07-2016 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by EVOHUNTER (Post 3493883)
You know what guys, I just realized..



The stock idler pulley on the supercharger side, the one that tensions up your supercharger belt, this pulley would work perfect. I have one laying around because I changed mine to a 3"

Great idea, I need to find mine.




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BOLIO 671 06-08-2016 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Pauly Z (Post 3493510)
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Tial came in today! They gave me the wrong clamp though. Now for some more waiting.

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Daaaaaam....that's one big bad boy...is that the same model that StillenZ34 has?

Pauly Z 06-08-2016 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by BOLIO 671 (Post 3494239)
Daaaaaam....that's one big bad boy...is that the same model that StillenZ34 has?

Yes I believe so. This is the model that was recommended by Topgunz. The Tial QRJ with the 1.5 psi spring and 50mm flange.

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