Recent interactions with GTM/Gamma

birdman71 · 10-02-2015, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy

Z eliminator · 10-02-2015, 02:21 PM

I feel for you guys on the SC and turbo kits.
But im out a motor and a stroker engine. paid in full.
Sam has assured me it getting built . ( I know who is building the engines for him and Sam has been telling me the truth ).
Not sure about your stuff , but im still hoping for me or its going to be 30.000.00 dollar loss to me. To date ive spend about 50.000.00 with GTM, everything comes shipped very late but he has always delivered the parts.
Its a long way to go down and see him from Toronto to his place.

Z

FPenvy · 10-02-2015, 02:23 PM

well it's Gamma now and its down the street from you lol

Gamma Motors

1920 S. Rochester Ave #104

Ontario Ca. 91761

orrrrrr it's in Cali?

it's a scam.

I hope you get your parts man that's a lot of cash to be out.

elperuano · 10-02-2015, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by vividracing

What I was addressing as silly is the threats, the wishes for someone to get hurt or to try and personally ruin someone's life. We are adults here and should act that way.

So now you are calling myself, birdman and bullitt (to name a few) liars and thieves and are somehow affiliated with Sam's poor business practices? Did I read that correctly?

If I read correctly earlier you stated something along the lines to stop bashing sam n gtm and let bygone be bygone? If you're trying to spin this to some sort of positive outcome for Sam with the community doing all the work(to possibly start ordering parts from him or company) so that he can "prove" himself then absolutely yes you read correct. Buying stolen goods from someone who's been continously using other people's money to pay off the previous debt he owes is just as bad as the thief. There is no more chances for him as there shouldn't be. The moderators explained it just as well as Black Betty did.

Enough is enough. The out of country investors are either absolute fools to not have done research and realize the disaster here or are in on the scam.

Also would lilke to add that my statement was written before i read ur post where you take the responsibility and ur customers go thru ypu instead of sam. Even so, good luck. Sam has biten off almost every hand thay feeds him (almost ).

Nismodean · 10-02-2015, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by vividracing

I am in the business of making money and I get that done by selling parts. When a vendor is hindering me from doing so by lying, cheating or stealing, they go away very quickly. When I am filled with false promises, ignored and every transaction becomes a painful mess, they go away quickly. I have vendors I simply wont subject my customers to, if you ask me for it I will tell exactly why I wont sell it to you.
Todd

So why are you still doing business with them?

TerribleONE · 10-02-2015, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FPenvy

well it's Gamma now and its down the street from you lol

Gamma Motors

1920 S. Rochester Ave #104

Ontario Ca. 91761

orrrrrr it's in Cali?

it's a scam.

I hope you get your parts man that's a lot of cash to be out.

Yea that's Ontario California

elperuano · 10-02-2015, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by birdman71

Don't hate the player hate the game and if you can't change the rules of the game or how the game works, work around the game.

player = Sam
game= him taking $$$ for parts and not delivering.

Take Sam out of the equation and just don't order from him specifically. Simple as that. If you decide not to work with Gamma Motors on whatever your issue is and you just want to bash and or ruin Sam in the wrong way and not go about it the right way by getting in line in the Lawsuit; then you are hatin' just to hate.

And now for trying to explain how everything is working to the emotionally and past scenario scar ridden minds, Todd, Mike and I are the bad guys?

Haters gonna Hate. lmao

Don't hate the player hate the game. Absolutely love this and agree 100%. But in that lifestyle you would NEVER get fooled once, let alone the hundreds of people he screwed over.

zguynate · 10-02-2015, 03:25 PM

Im not understanding why there is such a divide here? Gamma is no way responsible for GTMs bad business practices, yet it seems that they are honoring some of GTMs old promises. As stated earlier, they can't follow through with all of GTMs delinquent orders. They can't and shouldn't be held responsible for what Sam and GTM did to everyone (myself included). It was a really bad idea to hire Sam. Pick up GTMs product line sure, but there are plenty of people who could do what Sam is doing. We can all agree with that, no?

Some of you are looking like fools attacking the others who are just telling it like it is. NO ONE is sticking up for Sam or GTM. What they did was wrong and deserve everything the book can throw at them. Bullit is giving some insight on whats really going on, so why is he the bad guy? Just because he isn't walking with a pitchfork? If Gamma is doing what they said they are going to do, and thats not take money on an order until its ready to ship out, then good for them. It will take some time before most of us will order from them, which is very much understood. I for one would feel better if they canned Sam asap. He has no business in the game anymore. He should be in jail.

I for one don't plan on ordering anything from them. They have nothing that I'm interested in that someone else doesn't make.

AntiVenom · 10-02-2015, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Zbrah

You didn't answer my question. Who is backing the so called "standard warranty" that comes with the kit you're selling?! It's an honest question because I'm curious and I think potential buyers would be as well!

I bought a stage 1.5 kit unused from a member of the forum. Since then I´ve talked to GTM/Gamma on a few occasions for a number of things. I wouldn´t exactly call it a backing of standard warranty, but I´ve needed a couple of things (fittings and tune file) and Sam has helped me with them.

I am not saying I would get a supercharger replaced by them if something went wrong. then again, i didn´t expect that buying it "second hand" kit. However, a certain level of support can still be had from GTM/Gamma.

Anyway, just wanted to throw my 2 cents in (maybe more like 1 cent)

FPenvy · 10-02-2015, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TerribleONE

Yea that's Ontario California

it was a joke based on Zelim being in Ontario Canada...ca....get it?

I know where it really is lol

people in here are too serious sometimes.

birdman71 · 10-02-2015, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by elperuano

Don't hate the player hate the game. Absolutely love this and agree 100%. But in that lifestyle you would NEVER get fooled once, let alone the hundreds of people he screwed over.

There's a reason why I haven't gotten screwed over by Sam. Even if I ever had a question for Sam I would go to Andrew first.
Now that there are other people to deal with it could be something different. The only way to tell how this GTM/GAMMA partnership will work out is to let time take its course.

I have always been partial to having a twin SC one day

elperuano · 10-02-2015, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by birdman71

There's a reason why I haven't gotten screwed over by Sam. Even if I ever had a question for Sam I would go to Andrew first.
Now that there are other people to deal with it could be something different. The only way to tell how this GTM/GAMMA partnership will work out is to let time take its course.

I have always been partial to having a twin SC one day

If you stand behind your quote, no one would ever wait to see how GTM/GAMMA works out. Once you screw someone over that's it. There is no 2nd chance. What kind of a "player" gives out 2nd chances?

birdman71 · 10-02-2015, 03:50 PM

Im not talking about Sam.. lol There are other people you can order from with GAMMA.

And I ment that to actually see how the GAMMA and GTM partnership will turn out whether it will work or dissolve , is that only time will tell.

tiller · 10-02-2015, 04:00 PM

[QUOTE=Z eliminator;3321369]I feel for you guys on the SC and turbo kits.
But im out a motor and a stroker engine. paid in full.
Sam has assured me it getting built . ( I know who is building the engines for him and Sam has been telling me the truth ).
Not sure about your stuff , but im still hoping for me or its going to be 30.000.00 dollar loss to me. To date ive spend about 50.000.00 with GTM, everything comes shipped very late but he has always delivered the parts.
Its a long way to go down and see him from Toronto to his place

Maybe me n you can take a trip out there together sometime

Rusty · 10-02-2015, 04:05 PM

If Sam wasn't with Gamma now. I don't think we would be discussing this. The discussion could be going the other way. On how Gamma is helping out. Who knows. One thing for sure. Sam left a bad taste in alot of mouths that ain't never getting washed out.

Some people are dead set against him. It was once said that you could do good all of your life. BUT screw up one time. And that is was they will remember you for. In Sam's case. Multiple times. And that's what he will be remembered for.

10-02-2015, 02:21 PM	#137 (permalink)
Z eliminator A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 1,659 Drives: 370 Z 7AT Sports Rep Power: 19	I feel for you guys on the SC and turbo kits. But im out a motor and a stroker engine. paid in full. Sam has assured me it getting built . ( I know who is building the engines for him and Sam has been telling me the truth ). Not sure about your stuff , but im still hoping for me or its going to be 30.000.00 dollar loss to me. To date ive spend about 50.000.00 with GTM, everything comes shipped very late but he has always delivered the parts. Its a long way to go down and see him from Toronto to his place. Z bullitt5897 and GaleForce like this. __________________ 12.343 @114.14 . 4.5 stroker motor is now being built. Dec 1 2015. Last edited by Z eliminator; 10-02-2015 at 02:23 PM.

10-02-2015, 03:25 PM	#143 (permalink)
zguynate A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Strangeland Posts: 1,054 Drives: 09 370z Rep Power: 74	Im not understanding why there is such a divide here? Gamma is no way responsible for GTMs bad business practices, yet it seems that they are honoring some of GTMs old promises. As stated earlier, they can't follow through with all of GTMs delinquent orders. They can't and shouldn't be held responsible for what Sam and GTM did to everyone (myself included). It was a really bad idea to hire Sam. Pick up GTMs product line sure, but there are plenty of people who could do what Sam is doing. We can all agree with that, no? Some of you are looking like fools attacking the others who are just telling it like it is. NO ONE is sticking up for Sam or GTM. What they did was wrong and deserve everything the book can throw at them. Bullit is giving some insight on whats really going on, so why is he the bad guy? Just because he isn't walking with a pitchfork? If Gamma is doing what they said they are going to do, and thats not take money on an order until its ready to ship out, then good for them. It will take some time before most of us will order from them, which is very much understood. I for one would feel better if they canned Sam asap. He has no business in the game anymore. He should be in jail. I for one don't plan on ordering anything from them. They have nothing that I'm interested in that someone else doesn't make. bullitt5897 and AntiVenom like this. __________________ 2009 370z touring w/sports package

10-02-2015, 03:50 PM	#148 (permalink)
birdman71 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 1,579 Drives: People Crazy! Rep Power: 41	Im not talking about Sam.. lol There are other people you can order from with GAMMA. And I ment that to actually see how the GAMMA and GTM partnership will turn out whether it will work or dissolve , is that only time will tell. __________________ *Birdman's Build:* Powerhouse Amuse/ Nismo/ Eibach/ ACT/ Tommy Kaira/ Avant Garde/ Fast Intentions/ Project Kics/ Fly 1 Motorsports/ EVO-R/ Z1 Motorsports/ Weber Sports/ Zoom/ Zele Japan

10-02-2015, 04:00 PM	#149 (permalink)
tiller Enthusiast Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: ontario Posts: 370 Drives: 09 370z touring Rep Power: 15	[QUOTE=Z eliminator;3321369]I feel for you guys on the SC and turbo kits. But im out a motor and a stroker engine. paid in full. Sam has assured me it getting built . ( I know who is building the engines for him and Sam has been telling me the truth ). Not sure about your stuff , but im still hoping for me or its going to be 30.000.00 dollar loss to me. To date ive spend about 50.000.00 with GTM, everything comes shipped very late but he has always delivered the parts. Its a long way to go down and see him from Toronto to his place Maybe me n you can take a trip out there together sometime Last edited by tiller; 10-02-2015 at 04:03 PM.

10-02-2015, 04:05 PM	#150 (permalink)
Rusty Ronin Samurai - Assassin Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Fayettenam,Pennsyltucky Age: 69 Posts: 35,426 Drives: 2011 Nismo GM 6M Rep Power: 2684438	If Sam wasn't with Gamma now. I don't think we would be discussing this. The discussion could be going the other way. On how Gamma is helping out. Who knows. One thing for sure. Sam left a bad taste in alot of mouths that ain't never getting washed out. Some people are dead set against him. It was once said that you could do good all of your life. BUT screw up one time. And that is was they will remember you for. In Sam's case. Multiple times. And that's what he will be remembered for. GaleForce, zguynate, Spooler and 1 others like this. __________________ 浪人 - 殺し屋 "The Difficult Anytime, The Impossible By Appointment Only" http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...o-journal.html

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