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JWillis72 08-13-2015 05:06 PM

I also ordered the air straightener that Top recommended, I get orders from them the next day. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08...ad5812597e.jpg


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EVOHUNTER 08-13-2015 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JWillis72 (Post 3284532)
Evo, did you know they no longer make the 850cc injectors you have? We are using 1000s in mine.


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Really??

I wonder if there was problem with them? :/

That air straighter is awesome, I got mine coming aswell!

Looks like all of us are moving in the right directions!

JWillis72 08-13-2015 05:48 PM

They come in 600 or 1000 now. I ordered a set of 850s and got 1000 so I sent them back and called Z1 for 850s and was just told they stopped making them.


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JWillis72 08-13-2015 05:58 PM

I'm on a stock block and stock 7AT so I kind of expect to brake one of them but I hope it's not both at the same time! My plan is to get this all done before Oct 3rd so I can take it to Sebring that weekend and see what it can do.

StillenZ84 08-13-2015 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JWillis72 (Post 3284533)
I also ordered the air straightener that Top recommended, I get orders from them the next day. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08...ad5812597e.jpg


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So where exactly is this air straightener put? I tried to order 850s as well last week and was told they were no longer made and went with 1000s also.

Z&I 08-13-2015 08:26 PM

Stillen Bracket Reinforcement
 
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Found a few pics of the Stillen Bracket on line and did a real quick job of photoshopping them to just to illustrate the weak area I'm referring to.
If you notice in the picture that has the SC'r attached to the bracket it actually looks like it is solidly designed and constructed.
It is, however, deceiving.
The SC'r itself stands off from the bracket by about a 1/4" or so with a rather stingy spacer --- and to make matters worse, it is only supported part way around.
The SCR is held in space (pun intended) by only the 3 bolts and the small surface area of the spacer.


In the next photo I airbrushed out the SC'r [very quickly and not to scale] just to illustrate the small surface area [highlighted in red - again not to scale] that is being asked to support the SC'r under load.
This is where I feel there is the need for reinforcement in order to reduce the bracket flex.

There is room enough to create a more substantial spacer - extending it's mass to the left [clearing the belts] bolting it to to the main bracket plate with either 3 more bolts or 2 bolts and a locator pin.
This along with EVO's much improved tensioner plate on the other side of the bracket plate should make the bracket super strong.

I'll be the first to kick in another case of beer to EVO's buddy !

EliteXpress 08-13-2015 08:50 PM

Supercharger cog belt being constantly chewed

ANMVQ 08-13-2015 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JWillis72 (Post 3284533)
I also ordered the air straightener that Top recommended, I get orders from them the next day. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08...ad5812597e.jpg


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Looks like my old DSM's honeycomb, remember we used to remove parts of them to make more power lol ;)

Z&I 08-13-2015 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by EliteXpress (Post 3284670)

Awesome Info ... :eek2:

EVOHUNTER 08-13-2015 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by StillenZ84 (Post 3284589)
So where exactly is this air straightener put? I tried to order 850s as well last week and was told they were no longer made and went with 1000s also.

Right before the Mafs in the 3" section. Straightens the air out so your MAFs can get a good reading. There suppose to improve idle and such. for 20 bucks, i think its a no brainer. :)

Quote:

Found a few pics of the Stillen Bracket on line and did a real quick job of photoshopping them to just to illustrate the weak area I'm referring to.
If you notice in the picture that has the SC'r attached to the bracket it actually looks like it is solidly designed and constructed.
It is, however, deceiving.
The SC'r itself stands off from the bracket by about a 1/4" or so with a rather stingy spacer --- and to make matters worse, it is only supported part way around.
The SCR is held in space (pun intended) by only the 3 bolts and the small surface area of the spacer.


In the next photo I airbrushed out the SC'r [very quickly and not to scale] just to illustrate the small surface area [highlighted in red - again not to scale] that is being asked to support the SC'r under load.
This is where I feel there is the need for reinforcement in order to reduce the bracket flex.

There is room enough to create a more substantial spacer - extending it's mass to the left [clearing the belts] bolting it to to the main bracket plate with either 3 more bolts or 2 bolts and a locator pin.
This along with EVO's much improved tensioner plate on the other side of the bracket plate should make the bracket super strong.

I'll be the first to kick in another case of beer to EVO's buddy !
Your exactly right, theres basically nothing holding up this charger.



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Supercharger cog belt being constantly chewed
This design has a MAJOR flaw, He has his brace on his charger. which is fine.
BUT he has the other end of his bracket hooked up to the body!! super big no no..
What happens when your motor moves back and forth from torque lol.

thought that was funny!! i guess he won't need solid motor mounts on one side at least lol

ANMVQ 08-14-2015 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by EliteXpress (Post 3284670)

I don't remember how this one worked out but there is one on here where the bracket is attached to the block. This is the correct way :0 I'd think

here and JTran Studios builds these braces.
http://www.the370z.com/forced-induct...tillen-sc.html

TopgunZ 08-14-2015 08:45 AM

I love this forum! So much good info is being shared. Thank you all for preventing us from beating dead horses.

EVOHUNTER 08-15-2015 10:31 AM

Hey top,

Did you get your intake pipe all sorted out

Pro4Jackster 08-15-2015 10:53 AM

Quick question since a lot of Supercharged guys are in here. Can Ecutek support an aftermarket IAT sensor? (Tapped into the IM after the heat exchanger) Would be worth looking into for guys who want to run a safer tune with low-moderate boost. That would give you loads of info on the A/W intercoolers efficiency.

TopgunZ 08-15-2015 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by EVOHUNTER (Post 3285849)
Hey top,

Did you get your intake pipe all sorted out

Yeah man. Sasha is sending it today!!!

JWillis72 08-15-2015 03:58 PM

How did you get ahold of him? I've messaged him several times.


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EVOHUNTER 08-15-2015 04:27 PM

Any one have a video on there belt tension on the blower side.

I need someone to grab the belt and twist it on video so i can go from there.

I think I've got the tension right..

JWillis72 08-15-2015 04:58 PM

My car is locked in the shop but if no one can shoot it before Monday I can go get you video then.


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StillenZ84 08-16-2015 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by EVOHUNTER (Post 3285971)
Any one have a video on there belt tension on the blower side.

I need someone to grab the belt and twist it on video so i can go from there.

I think I've got the tension right..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=https://youtu.be/36tAJPWifh8 If video isn't showing up its here. https://youtu.be/36tAJPWifh8

TopgunZ 08-16-2015 06:52 PM

Z84. How close to the top of the idler pulley bracket are you? Stock pulleys on there?

StillenZ84 08-16-2015 07:34 PM

I have about another 1/2 inch I can go on the bracket. Stock jack and SC pulleys but I put a 2 3/4 inch idler pulley on there that my tuner had laying around after the smaller stock pulley blew out. I was pretty much maxed out on the bracket with the smaller stock pulley.

EVOHUNTER 08-16-2015 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by StillenZ84 (Post 3286605)
I have about another 1/2 inch I can go on the bracket. Stock jack and SC pulleys but I put a 2 3/4 inch idler pulley on there that my tuner had laying around after the smaller stock pulley blew out. I was pretty much maxed out on the bracket with the smaller stock pulley.

I tried to use a pulley that size with the 2.75" on the blower. but it bent the tensioner bracket. That thing is flimsy. Im on the dyno next weekend so hopefully everything goes good. Ill be able to give you guys an idea of boost from this 2.75" on the charger.

I also found that when you twist your supercharger belt, you can see your blower moving. the bracket flexes so easy.

EVOHUNTER 08-16-2015 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by StillenZ84 (Post 3286502)

Thanks dude!

TopgunZ 08-16-2015 08:34 PM

I made a new bracket on our cnc machine. Made it out of 7075 al. That grade is twice as strong as 6061 and tge stillen one could be made of even a lower grade. Didn't cut the bolt slot out. So this thing should be 4x stronger.

I also have a 3" idler.

My only setback from dynoing Saturday will be if my intake has a shipping delay. It will be very close.

EVOHUNTER 08-17-2015 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by TopgunZ (Post 3286631)
I made a new bracket on our cnc machine. Made it out of 7075 al. That grade is twice as strong as 6061 and tge stillen one could be made of even a lower grade. Didn't cut the bolt slot out. So this thing should be 4x stronger.

I also have a 3" idler.

My only setback from dynoing Saturday will be if my intake has a shipping delay. It will be very close.

did you get him to air mail it?

Should be 3 days max with air.

StillenZ84 08-17-2015 09:28 AM

So does anyone actually have these conversion parts for sale yet or is everything being fabricated by your local shops?

TopgunZ 08-17-2015 09:29 AM

No. He sent it ground and said it is supposed to be here Friday. He said air would have been like $125 more. I have the tracking number but it says it is not found in UPS's system. Kinda nervous. If I don't get it Friday then my dyno will be pushed out by 3 weeks or more since they are super busy. That would really, really suck.

TopgunZ 08-17-2015 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by StillenZ84 (Post 3286873)
So does anyone actually have these conversion parts for sale yet or is everything being fabricated by your local shops?

I think Sasha will be in the market soon. But, I cant speak for him. He did make a post stating his upgrade kit will be $1750 for the a2a setup.

However, if your talking about the upgrades to handle more power other than the a2a conversion, then we are all just "one offing" them ourselves.

So far for more power you will need:
Air to Air setup (with MAF relocation)
Upgraded pulley bracket
Upgraded idler pulley on SC side
Main bracket Anti-flex bar/bracket
Series of pulleys and/or Impeller upgrade
Larger injectors and pump - RFS recommended

Masterbeatty 08-17-2015 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by TopgunZ (Post 3286874)
No. He sent it ground and said it is supposed to be here Friday. He said air would have been like $125 more. I have the tracking number but it says it is not found in UPS's system. Kinda nervous. If I don't get it Friday then my dyno will be pushed out by 3 weeks or more since they are super busy. That would really, really suck.

You should take a day off on Friday and cancel all plans to wait on your door step. I missed my delivery guy by 45 mins and had to wait 3 more days just to drive and pick something up. I also missed an autox event which I was pissed. Hopefully it all works out for you on sat.

StillenZ84 08-17-2015 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by TopgunZ (Post 3286881)
I think Sasha will be in the market soon. But, I cant speak for him. He did make a post stating his upgrade kit will be $1750 for the a2a setup.

However, if your talking about the upgrades to handle more power other than the a2a conversion, then we are all just "one offing" them ourselves.

So far for more power you will need:
Air to Air setup (with MAF relocation)
Upgraded pulley bracket
Upgraded idler pulley on SC side
Main bracket Anti-flex bar/bracket
Series of pulleys and/or Impeller upgrade
Larger injectors and pump - RFS recommended

Awesome well I am all in when it is available for purchase!

TopgunZ 08-17-2015 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Masterbeatty (Post 3286903)
You should take a day off on Friday and cancel all plans to wait on your door step. I missed my delivery guy by 45 mins and had to wait 3 more days just to drive and pick something up. I also missed an autox event which I was pissed. Hopefully it all works out for you on sat.

That's the killer part. I took Friday off! However, I had the package sent to my work where there will be someone to receive it no matter what.

I took the day off to button up any loose ends required before the dyno day. If the package doesn't arrive then I will have to make my own intakes post intercooler which is not what I want to do.

On another note. I have everything ready to go with the car minus my ethanol content analyzer system and the manifold isn't bolted down yet.

I cant get to the bolts. I believe Evohunter said to use a EZ-red with flex head so I bought one, FOR $46 BUCKS, and there is no way it will work. Since it is not open ended it contacts the mani before it slips over the bolt head. Ive returned it.

So instead I have a different wrench on order. It is a ratcheting, open end style that uses a spring loaded jaw. If that doesn't work I will need to make my own tool out of some steel flat bar.

JWillis72 08-17-2015 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by TopgunZ (Post 3286944)
That's the killer part. I took Friday off! However, I had the package sent to my work where there will be someone to receive it no matter what.

I took the day off to button up any loose ends required before the dyno day. If the package doesn't arrive then I will have to make my own intakes post intercooler which is not what I want to do.

On another note. I have everything ready to go with the car minus my ethanol content analyzer system and the manifold isn't bolted down yet.

I cant get to the bolts. I believe Evohunter said to use a EZ-red with flex head so I bought one, FOR $46 BUCKS, and there is no way it will work. Since it is not open ended it contacts the mani before it slips over the bolt head. Ive returned it.

So instead I have a different wrench on order. It is a ratcheting, open end style that uses a spring loaded jaw. If that doesn't work I will need to make my own tool out of some steel flat bar.

I don't know where the wrench from Stillen went so I bought a cheap wrench that we torched and bent.

OldManGorman 08-17-2015 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Driftomodachi (Post 3284078)

Charge pipe comes straight out of the compressor and into the intake mani. I'm thinking the front mount is strictly for show here.

JWillis72 08-17-2015 11:47 AM

Stillen Air to Air setup
 
That picture is still using water to cool it.http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08...08e3d974ee.jpg It works for the stock set up but not adding more power like the air to air.

TopgunZ 08-17-2015 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by OldManGorman (Post 3286964)
Charge pipe comes straight out of the compressor and into the intake mani. I'm thinking the front mount is strictly for show here.

C'mon man. This isn't air to air. Stop posting this pic. :facepalm:

Z&I 08-17-2015 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by OldManGorman (Post 3286964)
Charge pipe comes straight out of the compressor and into the intake mani. I'm thinking the front mount is strictly for show here.

The Stillen comes straight out of the SC'r and in to the TB's.
The I/C is in the IM after the TB's.

OldManGorman 08-17-2015 12:29 PM

I realized it was water to air right after I posted it. requested to have the post deleted. my bad. haha

EVOHUNTER 08-17-2015 03:19 PM

Hey top, I used a ezred with a crows foot to crack it loose.

TopgunZ 08-17-2015 04:18 PM

Oh CROWS foot!! Sorry, missed that part.

EVOHUNTER 08-17-2015 04:31 PM

I Used a double sided 3/8 socket adaptor, the ezred's can be used on a square bolt., triangle, triple square, 5 point and 12 point bolts. that's why I suggest the easy reds.


Worst case, go to house of tools (if I remember that's where I go for cheap tools when im at my house in Palm desert) buy a super long wrench for 20 bucks and heat/bend it so it works!


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