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JWillis72 08-27-2015 02:42 PM

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My plates should be ready tomorrow but my car has a long way to go before tuning.


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JWillis72 08-28-2015 04:02 PM

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TopgunZ 08-28-2015 04:38 PM

Nice work! So whats your ETA to see the dyno?

JWillis72 08-28-2015 04:49 PM

The plan is for the shop to get the supercharger rebuilt and back in with the injectors and GTR plugs and get it to the other shop to weld the piping sometime next week. Hopefully my headers will ship Monday or Tuesday and can go in the week after next. You will probably get to the dyno before me but I hope to not be far behind because I've paid to be at Sebring Oct 3-4.


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JWillis72 08-28-2015 04:50 PM

Stillen Air to Air setup
 
I think I am going to have them kind of follow your intake but in aluminum pipe and the MAFs in 2 3" sections. If that doesn't work we will speed density tune it.


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roplusbee 08-29-2015 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by JWillis72 (Post 3296158)
The plan is for the shop to get the supercharger rebuilt and back in with the injectors and GTR plugs and get it to the other shop to weld the piping sometime next week. Hopefully my headers will ship Monday or Tuesday and can go in the week after next. You will probably get to the dyno before me but I hope to not be far behind because I've paid to be at Sebring Oct 3-4.


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Do you mind if I ask why you went with GT-R plugs over the HKS plugs? I went through two sets of GT-R plugs in an abnormally short time (Greddy TT Kit). When I came to terms with my wallet and bought the HKS plugs, I had no more issues. Just curious.......

jwick 08-29-2015 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by JWillis72 (Post 3296160)
I think I am going to have them kind of follow your intake but in aluminum pipe and the MAFs in 2 3" sections. If that doesn't work we will speed density tune it.


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Ecutek and a Juke MAP sensor...FTW!

JWillis72 08-29-2015 11:44 AM

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Do you mind if I ask why you went with GT-R plugs over the HKS plugs? I went through two sets of GT-R plugs in an abnormally short time (Greddy TT Kit). When I came to terms with my wallet and bought the HKS plugs, I had no more issues. Just curious.......


I was recommended them but don't remember by who and the shop does tons of GTRs so I didn't have to order them. My car is behind the white one.

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JWillis72 08-29-2015 11:45 AM

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Ecutek and a Juke MAP sensor...FTW!


Why a Juke MAP? We are doing Ecutech.


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EVOHUNTER 08-29-2015 12:01 PM

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Why a Juke MAP? We are doing Ecutech.


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youll need to tap a map sensor into the manifold. Remove the MAF signal wire from both MAfs, Those then have to be wired into the MAP sensor.

After this, Speed density is possible.

jwick 08-29-2015 12:05 PM

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Why a Juke MAP? We are doing Ecutech.


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Just what my tuner suggests. I assume it's the cheaper and easier solution.

I didn't get into all the details cuz still several months away from the Ecutek switch.

StillenZ84 08-29-2015 03:28 PM

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youll need to tap a map sensor into the manifold. Remove the MAF signal wire from both MAfs, Those then have to be wired into the MAP sensor.

After this, Speed density is possible.

Right. I was told by John Visconti that it requires a 4 BAR Map sensor. Where can you get one? I can't find one anywhere.

JWillis72 08-29-2015 04:58 PM

I think a 3 BAR bar would work unless you are doing something big. The 4 bar I looked at said they were for 20-43 lb of boost.


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StillenZ84 08-29-2015 05:07 PM

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I think a 3 BAR bar would work unless you are doing something big. The 4 bar I looked at said they were for 20-43 lb of boost.


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Ok cool. Yeah I saw that also. I definitely don't see going that much boost ever.

EVOHUNTER 08-29-2015 08:30 PM

The easiest way would be to use a 3 bar Gm MAP sensor. This has a 3 wire connecter, one would be ground to the body, 2 would be a 5V source, and 3 would be signal wired into your MAF signal wire. Theres a vacuum port on the sensor, Have a vacuum line from the intake manifold to the sensor. This is where I'm kinda stumped. Do we wire both MAF signal wires into one map sensor? Do we Run 2 map sensors? You could run 2, it wouldn't be hard.

JWillis72 08-29-2015 08:37 PM

I would think you would run two but only because there are two MAFs.


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roplusbee 08-30-2015 11:24 AM

GM does 3BAR and 5BAR MAP sensors right? Back in 06 when I was looking to eliminate the MAFS from my CA18DET, I was looking heavily into a viable setup. I was never able to find a solution that I could tune reliably without a dyno and a true stand-alone. Too tricky with a PowerFC.

I hope you guys have good luck with ECUTEK. I plan on sticking with UPREV once I am back in the states.............

JWillis72 08-31-2015 03:36 PM

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This might or might not be a concern for you guys but I thought I would share it. The black thing at the bottom of the picture came out of the oil side of my supercharger. We believe it's the plastic from the stock bearing because the small ones fell apart while coming out. I drive my car a lot harder than most people so maybe it's not a problem for you but then again turning up the boost it could be.


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JWillis72 08-31-2015 03:48 PM

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TopgunZ 08-31-2015 04:58 PM

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This might or might not be a concern for you guys but I thought I would share it. The black thing at the bottom of the picture came out of the oil side of my supercharger. We believe it's the plastic from the stock bearing because the small ones fell apart while coming out. I drive my car a lot harder than most people so maybe it's not a problem for you but then again turning up the boost it could be.


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How many miles do you have on this kit?

JWillis72 08-31-2015 05:01 PM

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Around 20,000, it was installed October 2013.


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TopgunZ 08-31-2015 05:03 PM

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Around 20,000, it was installed October 2013.


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Has anyone put their ear up to the intake filter? Does it make a noticeable screeching/squeeling noise at idle?

JWillis72 08-31-2015 05:09 PM

I had never noticed any change from the normal noise it made. It would get louder after tracking it then would quiet down with a oil change. I changed the oil a lot, by Stillens schedule it should have had 3 but it's had 11.

1slow370 08-31-2015 08:14 PM

is that a v2? the stillen kit should be a v3 with internal oil supply but it looks like your unit has the oil line on it unles that is just an extender for the drain which would make sense since there is no oil jet in there.

StillenZ84 08-31-2015 08:22 PM

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is that a v2? the stillen kit should be a v3 with internal oil supply but it looks like your unit has the oil line on it unles that is just an extender for the drain which would make sense since there is no oil jet in there.

v3. That is just the drain line.

JWillis72 08-31-2015 08:40 PM

Its a v3.

Z&I 08-31-2015 09:00 PM

I have a V2 Ti [brand new with oil lines] for sale if anybody is interested.
It's only been on the bracket to check fitment...never been spun.
It's slightly larger physically but will fit with a little jiggling.

The specs are almost exactly like the V1 Ti on the Vortech Site.

It incorporates curved gears to reduce noise
Waited almost 4 months for delivery ... cost was $2600.
Sitting in my garage waiting for a new home.

Let me know if you need more Air :eek:

TopgunZ 09-01-2015 09:24 AM

Anybody that is running the Turbosmart Kompact...What color is your spring? Mine is pink and it will not get even close to opening at idle.

With the bosch one on it is easy to put your hand on it and stop the flow. Is this what you guys are seeing?

Z&I 09-01-2015 01:38 PM

If I remember correctly ANMVQ did have to do a little tweaking too when he first installed his TurboSmart Kompact BOV ...

StillenZ84 09-01-2015 01:51 PM

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Anybody that is running the Turbosmart Kompact...What color is your spring? Mine is pink and it will not get even close to opening at idle.

With the bosch one on it is easy to put your hand on it and stop the flow. Is this what you guys are seeing?

My spring is silver. I know you are making modifications but are you talking out the vent to atmosphere side or recirculating side?

StillenZ84 09-01-2015 02:02 PM

I do know that to get it even close to right if you are going BOV route I added one washer and tightened it just in between hard and soft. My tuner still couldn't get it right. My a/f ratio would go crazy no matter what we did. So I ended up just leaving it full recirculating.

TopgunZ 09-01-2015 02:30 PM

Your setup was pull through though and totally different. Your spring would be silver in material but it would have a touch of paint on top that is either pink, blue, or green.

StillenZ84 09-01-2015 02:51 PM

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Your setup was pull through though and totally different. Your spring would be silver in material but it would have a touch of paint on top that is either pink, blue, or green.

Got ya. I figured it had something to do with the new setup y'all are doing. Whole new ballgame getting it set up right in that case.

EVOHUNTER 09-01-2015 07:20 PM

I have a pink spring, It opens about a 1/4" at idle.

Even on the dyno it sounds really bad. i have mine rec. and under half load my car sounds like a helicopter. it flutters like crazy!

JWillis72 09-01-2015 08:04 PM

That sucks, are you keeping it on the car? I have the same one.

TopgunZ 09-01-2015 08:41 PM

Evo. I think you were saying it needs to be tighter but I think its looser and this could be solved with a lighter spring. I think that because ive had flutter with a few cars/kits in the past and a lighter spring always fixed it. But this was with turbo kits so maybe with this centri setup its different.

Anyway, ive ordered the other two spring sizes so we will find out soon.

JWillis72 09-02-2015 04:19 PM

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Injector, plugs, plates, supercharger rebuilt and clocked are all done. We ran into a problem with shimming the impeller, it's stuck on and not spinning freely from to much shim we believe. I decided to let a turbo shop adjust it to make sure it's right. Friday the car is going to the shop that is welding the piping, supercharger brace to the block and custom crash bar. They are starting with the pipe out of the supercharger so we can remove it as soon as they are done to get it adjusted.


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StillenZ84 09-02-2015 04:28 PM

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Injector, plugs, plates, supercharger rebuilt and clocked are all done. We ran into a problem with shimming the impeller, it's stuck on and not spinning freely from to much shim we believe. I decided to let a turbo shop adjust it to make sure it's right. Friday the car is going to the shop that is welding the piping, supercharger brace to the block and custom crash bar. They are starting with the pipe out of the supercharger so we can remove it as soon as they are done to get it adjusted.


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Cant wait to see everything finished. Are you going with a big pipe for both MAFs or 2 pipes?

JWillis72 09-02-2015 04:37 PM

I'm going to talk to them Friday but the plan right now is to Y it into two 3" pipes but I'm going to hear what they say. The shop doing it works on my Audi TT and build all kinds of crazy Euro turbo cars and some sexy R-8 exhaust so I have faith in their fab guy. They have a AWD TT thats 850whp thats all custom built by them so they know what they are doing.

EVOHUNTER 09-02-2015 05:51 PM

I think im dropping mine off at sashas, Tuesday.. next week.

Ill keep you guys updated.. But in all fairness, we wont know if it works until next year!


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