Costs per HP gain unworthy for our Z's

Endgame · 08-01-2010, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by LiquidZ

My father had an '03 350Z when they first came out, and owned it for years. One day, he got a little power hungry, well really power hungry, because he left one day with it and came back with a C6 Z51 Corvette. A few years later, he moved up to a C6 Z06. I remember a discussion we had about his 350Z when I bought my 370Z. He said, "although the Corvette's have way more power, I still miss the way my Z felt".

At times I wish I had a new 5.0, or Corvette, but at the same time, I really appreciate how the Z feels when you drive it.

I have driven my fair share of Vettes (C5 and C6 Z06s). The power is really nice, however, I just do not feel as connected to the car as I do the Z. The Z is by far the more rewarding and fun drive.

That said, by the same margin the Z beats out the Z06 to me, the RX8 beats out the 370Z in terms of pure driving feel. I miss my RX8 for about 5 seconds, then drive and my Z again and forget all about the RX8.

m4a1mustang · 08-01-2010, 09:43 AM

I like my Z. I think I like the new 5.0 Mustang GT more, but taking into consideration the loss I would take to get out of the Z and into the Mustang (and then mod the Mustang up like I have been with the Z) it's just not worth it (damn being a finance guy!!!).

If I wasn't happy with the Z I'd take the loss for sure, but this is a very good car. It holds its own against the likes of Corvette, Porsche, Mustang, etc, all of which have VERY formidable offerings.

@Endgame -- I agree with you about the Corvette. It doesn't feel quite as direct as the Z does. Obviously there are things you can do to change that, but stock for stock the Z feels much more nimble and involved. I would drop my Z in a heartbeat for a Z06, though!!!

sgthanzo · 08-01-2010, 10:05 AM

Talking about driver-to-car connection...

I've only been driving my Z for a few months. One thing I noticed is that the car seems to amplify the way I feel when I drive the sweet thing. I mean she rides so smooth and she transitions from gear to gear (I've the 6MT) so effortlessly when I'm in a good and relaxed mood. The opposite can be said when I'm tired and feeling $hitty. She feels very slow to shift and very rough she seems when I'm not in tip-top shape.

She's weird in a good way - as if she now acts like my mood gauge. She's able somehow to tell me when to pipe-up or pipe down.... Really weird, this "connection" thing. LOL!

m4a1mustang · 08-01-2010, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by sgthanzo

Talking about driver-to-car connection...

I've only been driving my Z for a few months. One thing I noticed is that the car seems to amplify the way I feel when I drive the sweet thing. I mean she rides so smooth and she transitions from gear to gear (I've the 6MT) so effortlessly when I'm in a good and relaxed mood. The opposite can be said when I'm tired and feeling $hitty. She feels very slow to shift and very rough she seems when I'm not in tip-top shape.

She's weird in a good way - as if she now acts like my mood gauge. She's able somehow to tell me when to pipe-up or pipe down.... Really weird, this "connection" thing. LOL!

Ain't that the truth? The Z 6MT is really finicky and demands a relaxed driver to really operate properly, so that's definitely why you are feeling like it's your mood gauge. I definitely get it. If you are relaxed the car is fantastic!

Also, it looks better, sounds better, handles better, and makes more power when it's freshly washed.

Philipp · 08-02-2010, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Endgame

That said, by the same margin the Z beats out the Z06 to me, the RX8 beats out the 370Z in terms of pure driving feel. I miss my RX8 for about 5 seconds, then drive and my Z again and forget all about the RX8.

I agree with the RX8 vs 370 reference (previously owning 2 Rx8s) but both cars have limited potential bolt-on mods gain....

macrylinda · 08-08-2010, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TongMan

Had one. Traded in my Mazdaspeed3 for the 370z. You are correct as I received a gain of 26+whp from a cold air intake. Cobb AP gave me an additional 15 - 20 whp.

Even if you drop 12 to 18k into a TT setup, your still alot cheaper than any other car out there that's capable of 500whp.

WarmAndSCSI · 08-08-2010, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by macrylinda

Even if you drop 12 to 18k into a TT setup, your still alot cheaper than any other car out there that's capable of 500whp.

About 20k of mods (and lots of blood, tears, and sweat) on my Galant, which was worth $4500 at the time, got it to over 600 BHP. But it was also hopeless and FWD.

Point is, I'd rather have a car that's engineered to put down 500 BHP from the factory than spend endless amounts of money trying to make a car engineered to do less do that much more...

Zsteve · 08-08-2010, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by WarmAndSCSI

About 20k of mods (and lots of blood, tears, and sweat) on my Galant, which was worth $4500 at the time, got it to over 600 BHP. But it was also hopeless and FWD.

Point is, I'd rather have a car that's engineered to put down 500 BHP from the factory than spend endless amounts of money trying to make a car engineered to do less do that much more...

very good point.

Solus · 08-09-2010, 11:19 AM

Personally I could care less about the $ per hp gained, i have previously owned 5 z's and loved all of them except the 350 (I still liked it but it just wasn't my favorite)... I bought the car for the same reason I bought all the others, I have always had great experiences and loved the allure of the z's... I guess I am just an enthusiast at heart.

No matter where I go everyone seems to absolutely love this car, I don't see anyone really going nuts or walking up to a gt mustang or a c6 corvette or anything of the nature the way they approach the 370z's whenever there is one around.

destinyZ · 08-10-2010, 08:45 PM

Just get the Fast Intentions exhaust. its rated 27HP gain and $1500, and you get the agressive sound. instead of IHE set up do that exhaust with some wheels. get the Volk CE28n or Enkei PF01 or RPF1. The CE28n is pricey but the Enkei's are cheap. droping weight on your wheels will help alot.

Good luck.

wolf370z · 08-10-2010, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by destinyZ

Just get the Fast Intentions exhaust. its rated 27HP gain and $1500, and you get the agressive sound. instead of IHE set up do that exhaust with some wheels. get the Volk CE28n or Enkei PF01 or RPF1. The CE28n is pricey but the Enkei's are cheap. droping weight on your wheels will help alot.

Good luck.

FI cbe is not gonna give you 27hp to the wheels...and actually for a naturally aspirated v6 I don't think you could find another car that gets as good as gains as this car. However, anything that has forced induction will give you far better gains with boltons(pulley for s/c)/tune.

Maybe headers and exhaust gives you 27 to the wheels? Altho Berk cbe + hfc is rumored to be 36 hp to the wheels, essentially 30rwhp for the combo would be a generous dyno and an initial low baseline...

destinyZ · 08-10-2010, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf370z

FI cbe is not gonna give you 27hp to the wheels...and actually for a naturally aspirated v6 I don't think you could find another car that gets as good as gains as this car. However, anything that has forced induction will give you far better gains with boltons(pulley for s/c)/tune.

Maybe headers and exhaust gives you 27 to the wheels? Altho Berk cbe + hfc is rumored to be 36 hp to the wheels, essentially 30rwhp for the combo would be a generous dyno and an initial low baseline...

FAIL. ok, idk where i got 27hp gain from but heres the dyno chart from F.I.

http://www.fastintentions.com/produc...ack%20.jpg.pdf

I appologize for the mess up. If the link dosent work just go here and click on dyno chart.

Fast Intentions

wolf370z · 08-10-2010, 11:53 PM

I would literally cry tears of joy if hfc, cbe, and cai would land us an extra 100rwhp. Literally cry.

Danny89141 · 08-11-2010, 04:49 PM

Does anyone know what the 7AT is rated for horsepower and torque?

I'm sure a few bolt-ons like cold air induction and a cat back system would not overwhelm, but would you fry the AT with a Stillen supercharger or a twin turbo setup?

TongMan · 08-11-2010, 05:55 PM

20whp sounds ludacris for only a catback. I call BS on the dyno.

08-01-2010, 09:43 AM	#77 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	I like my Z. I think I like the new 5.0 Mustang GT more, but taking into consideration the loss I would take to get out of the Z and into the Mustang (and then mod the Mustang up like I have been with the Z) it's just not worth it (damn being a finance guy!!!). If I wasn't happy with the Z I'd take the loss for sure, but this is a very good car. It holds its own against the likes of Corvette, Porsche, Mustang, etc, all of which have VERY formidable offerings. @Endgame -- I agree with you about the Corvette. It doesn't feel quite as direct as the Z does. Obviously there are things you can do to change that, but stock for stock the Z feels much more nimble and involved. I would drop my Z in a heartbeat for a Z06, though!!! __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

08-10-2010, 11:53 PM	#88 (permalink)
wolf370z Base Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: United States Posts: 230 Drives: 09 370z red m6 Rep Power: 15	I would literally cry tears of joy if hfc, cbe, and cai would land us an extra 100rwhp. Literally cry. __________________ Good drivers just drive.

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08-01-2010, 10:05 AM	#78 (permalink)
sgthanzo Base Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 32 Drives: 370Z 40th Anniv Ed Rep Power: 14	Talking about driver-to-car connection... I've only been driving my Z for a few months. One thing I noticed is that the car seems to amplify the way I feel when I drive the sweet thing. I mean she rides so smooth and she transitions from gear to gear (I've the 6MT) so effortlessly when I'm in a good and relaxed mood. The opposite can be said when I'm tired and feeling $hitty. She feels very slow to shift and very rough she seems when I'm not in tip-top shape. She's weird in a good way - as if she now acts like my mood gauge. She's able somehow to tell me when to pipe-up or pipe down.... Really weird, this "connection" thing. LOL!

08-09-2010, 11:19 AM	#84 (permalink)
Solus Enthusiast Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Jacksonville, NC Posts: 453 Drives: 2009 Nissan 370z Rep Power: 16	Personally I could care less about the $ per hp gained, i have previously owned 5 z's and loved all of them except the 350 (I still liked it but it just wasn't my favorite)... I bought the car for the same reason I bought all the others, I have always had great experiences and loved the allure of the z's... I guess I am just an enthusiast at heart. No matter where I go everyone seems to absolutely love this car, I don't see anyone really going nuts or walking up to a gt mustang or a c6 corvette or anything of the nature the way they approach the 370z's whenever there is one around.

08-10-2010, 08:45 PM	#85 (permalink)
destinyZ Enthusiast Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Guam, USA Age: 35 Posts: 415 Drives: FROM INDIANA Rep Power: 15	Just get the Fast Intentions exhaust. its rated 27HP gain and $1500, and you get the agressive sound. instead of IHE set up do that exhaust with some wheels. get the Volk CE28n or Enkei PF01 or RPF1. The CE28n is pricey but the Enkei's are cheap. droping weight on your wheels will help alot. Good luck.

08-11-2010, 04:49 PM	#89 (permalink)
Danny89141 Base Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 10 Drives: 2010 370Z Roadster T Rep Power: 14	Does anyone know what the 7AT is rated for horsepower and torque? I'm sure a few bolt-ons like cold air induction and a cat back system would not overwhelm, but would you fry the AT with a Stillen supercharger or a twin turbo setup?

08-11-2010, 05:55 PM	#90 (permalink)
TongMan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: NorCal Posts: 1,297 Drives: 2013 Nissan GTR Rep Power: 715	20whp sounds ludacris for only a catback. I call BS on the dyno.