Is it necessary to ger an Oil Cooler?

Rusty · 05-14-2019, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by The Z Philes

Weird. I see all of this about an oil cooler being a requirement, yet the highest temp I've seen on mine has been just shy of 200, and that was on a 90 degree day here in Florida. And since it's still new and I'm still having fun, I haven't been light on the throttle. I guess I have some questions. Like what's considered a high oil temp on this car? And what is limp mode? Is there anything in particular I should be looking for? And I assume CSC is clutch slave cylinder. So these fail at a ridiculous rate, then?

You have a 2019. Nissan installed a water to oil heat exchanger a couple years ago. It's some what effective under normal driving. Most won't see high temps unless they do some hard driving.

mokhan996 · 05-15-2019, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by SPDKING

Check this thread out I and everyone else put together.
Must have upgrades for every 370Z

On all 370Z's, daily driven to track car, all need a oil cooler and a CSC elimination kit or a heavy duty CSC. The oil cooler was my first upgrade not a week after getting my car after it went into limp mode driving normally to my job when it was 70 degrees out. I got the Z1 34 row with Setrab and the protective wrap with the thermostatic sandwich plate even though I live in Southern California just to be safe. I would stay away from Mishimoto's products and I heard good things about the Stillen and Fast Intentions oil coolers. At this point, it's a requirement on every single 370Z to have a oil cooler.

Holy s**t, didn't think Mishimoto would ever be that bad. Yeah after talking to several people on this forum, including yourself, for sure getting the Z1.

mokhan996 · 05-15-2019, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Rusty

Terminology can kill you real quick. Sometimes, it's like speaking a different language. For me. Going from steam turbine ( old school) to gas turbine (new school) . Two different words mean the same thing, the same piece of equipment. Best part, the damn pieces of equipment sit side by side. They tell you to work on piece X, but mean piece Y. You better check to make sure. If not. It could kill you.

Absolutely!

mokhan996 · 05-15-2019, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by The Z Philes

Weird. I see all of this about an oil cooler being a requirement, yet the highest temp I've seen on mine has been just shy of 200, and that was on a 90 degree day here in Florida. And since it's still new and I'm still having fun, I haven't been light on the throttle. I guess I have some questions. Like what's considered a high oil temp on this car? And what is limp mode? Is there anything in particular I should be looking for? And I assume CSC is clutch slave cylinder. So these fail at a ridiculous rate, then?

I've seen my car hit a MAX 230? Even at 200 its fairly high but honestly hitting 200+ is "normal operation" on our 370's. Limp mode from my understanding would be for example if you're lugging your engine, it'll go into limp mode to prevent catastrophic failure. Yes CSC is Clutch Slave Cylinder. For some odd reason, the Slave Cylinder are notorious to fail on our cars. Whether its 50k Miles of 5k Miles, it'll go when it wants. Here's a link to the Zspeed CMAK CSC thread that will direct you to a safer and more effective piece that'll prevent that from happening.

ZSpeed CMAK Clutch Movement Alteration Kit CSC Delete

Which Clutch would you recommend?

SPDKING · 05-15-2019, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by mokhan996

Holy s**t, didn't think Mishimoto would ever be that bad. Yeah after talking to several people on this forum, including yourself, for sure getting the Z1.

Z1, Stillen or Fast Intentions, they all use the same stuff I think except the Stillen only has 25 row and the Fast Intentions is the cheapest. I think the Stillen is the most expensive (not by much) if you don't care about the protective hose wrapping like on the Z1. Once you get the Z1, you probably will notice the car takes a longer time for the oil to warm up (at least that's what I noticed) but I think everyone has said that's normal. You can also get the Concept Z 34 Row Oil cooler. Again, they all basically use the same things, this one is actually the same exact thing as the Z1 but you get rewards points

https://conceptzperformance.com/czp-...x4_p_32824.php

OptionZero · 05-15-2019, 11:58 AM

Oil coolers are usually on sale during black friday and whatever folks call their "summer" sale

If you wanna save a few bucks, wait till around july. I think Z1 offered the 36 row for the price of the 24 row or something like that

SPDKING · 05-15-2019, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by OptionZero

Oil coolers are usually on sale during black friday and whatever folks call their "summer" sale

If you wanna save a few bucks, wait till around july. I think Z1 offered the 36 row for the price of the 24 row or something like that

Good call. I was gonna say wait to black Friday but that's a long ways away.

Rusty · 06-06-2019, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mokhan996

I've seen my car hit a MAX 230? Even at 200 its fairly high but honestly hitting 200+ is "normal operation" on our 370's. Limp mode from my understanding would be for example if you're lugging your engine, it'll go into limp mode to prevent catastrophic failure. Yes CSC is Clutch Slave Cylinder. For some odd reason, the Slave Cylinder are notorious to fail on our cars. Whether its 50k Miles of 5k Miles, it'll go when it wants. Here's a link to the Zspeed CMAK CSC thread that will direct you to a safer and more effective piece that'll prevent that from happening.

ZSpeed CMAK Clutch Movement Alteration Kit CSC Delete

Which Clutch would you recommend?

The ECU will start to pull timing at 240F oil temp. The higher it gets, the more timing it will pull. Once it gets to 280F. Then it's limp mode.

SPDKING · 06-06-2019, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty

The ECU will start to pull timing at 240F oil temp. The higher it gets, the more timing it will pull. Once it gets to 280F. Then it's limp mode.

Will it go into limp mode just over 220? Mine before the oil cooler did that once in traffic and I remember it wasn't that high. I think someone did say that gauge isn't that accurate so I could've been at 240

Rusty · 06-06-2019, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SPDKING

Will it go into limp mode just over 220? Mine before the oil cooler did that once in traffic and I remember it wasn't that high. I think someone did say that gauge isn't that accurate so I could've been at 240

Oil temp. No. Got to be 280F. The ECU seeing what the gauge is seeing. Once the ECU starts to pull timing. The car will run worse. There may be another reason why it might have gone into limp mode. But I don't know what the reason would be.

BettyZ · 06-06-2019, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty

Oil temp. No. Got to be 280F. The ECU seeing what the gauge is seeing. Once the ECU starts to pull timing. The car will run worse. There may be another reason why it might have gone into limp mode. But I don't know what the reason would be.

Sounds to me like the car needed some viagra.

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Spooler · 06-06-2019, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SPDKING

Z1, Stillen or Fast Intentions, they all use the same stuff I think except the Stillen only has 25 row and the Fast Intentions is the cheapest. I think the Stillen is the most expensive (not by much) if you don't care about the protective hose wrapping like on the Z1.

No sure where you got your information. Nobody buys the Stillen kits because you can't use a factory oil filter (unless they have recently changed them). The Fast Intentions are the highest quality due to the braided lines they use (Teflon Inserts and last a long time) and they only sell a Setrab 34 row oil cooler. They also offer everything needed to remove the factory oil cooler 2012 to current car. The Z1 you can cheap out and get a Mocal oil cooler which is not as good. They also offer 19 row, 24 row, and 34 row oil coolers. The braided lines are just standard rubber lines. Nothing special.

So, the Z1 and Fast Intentions oil cooler kits are both good. If you get the Z1 make sure to get the Setrab oil cooler. I just like the FI kit better due to the
fact that they offered everything needed for the 2012 and up cars.

cv129 · 06-06-2019, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BettyZ

Sounds to me like the car needed some viagra.

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lol for like 8 yrs on this board, I've never associated "limp mode" with Viagra, until now

I can never say "limp mode" with a straight face now, thanks BettyZ

SPDKING · 06-06-2019, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler

No sure where you got your information. Nobody buys the Stillen kits because you can't use a factory oil filter (unless they have recently changed them). The Fast Intentions are the highest quality due to the braided lines they use (Teflon Inserts and last a long time) and they only sell a Setrab 34 row oil cooler. They also offer everything needed to remove the factory oil cooler 2012 to current car. The Z1 you can cheap out and get a Mocal oil cooler which is not as good. They also offer 19 row, 24 row, and 34 row oil coolers. The braided lines are just standard rubber lines. Nothing special.

So, the Z1 and Fast Intentions oil cooler kits are both good. If you get the Z1 make sure to get the Setrab oil cooler. I just like the FI kit better due to the
fact that they offered everything needed for the 2012 and up cars.

Yes there are people with the Stillen ones despite that. That was the reason why I personally didn't get the Stillen but that may not be someone else's reason. I see teenagers with the Mishimoto ones all the time too, even though it's well known the quality isn't all there. It could be timing or lack of knowledge but I've come across 6 people with the Stillen kit.

abm89 · 06-06-2019, 04:35 PM

I have the Stillen kit. The only thing I'd say is get a Setrab Core.

05-15-2019, 11:58 AM	#81 (permalink)
OptionZero A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Sacramento Posts: 3,159 Drives: 15 370Z Nismo 6MT Rep Power: 203226	Oil coolers are usually on sale during black friday and whatever folks call their "summer" sale If you wanna save a few bucks, wait till around july. I think Z1 offered the 36 row for the price of the 24 row or something like that SPDKING and mokhan996 like this. __________________ OptionZero Build Thread

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abm89 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 1,299 Drives: 11 370Z \| 24 EL450 Rep Power: 64763	I have the Stillen kit. The only thing I'd say is get a Setrab Core. SPDKING likes this. __________________ Complete Parts List: https://github.com/abm89/ztouge-build

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