Nissan 370Z Forum  

DIY: Replace dreaded steering-lock on 2009s and early 2010s.

Originally Posted by zero Most micro switches are internally mechanical with contact point. The contact point can get sticky from contaminant. The switch nipples are riding on the flat profile

Go Back   Nissan 370Z Forum > Nissan 370Z Tech Area > DIY Section (Do-It-Yourself)


Like Tree61Likes

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-09-2012, 02:56 PM   #1 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: N/A
Posts: 76,801
Drives: N/A
Rep Power: 141522
kenchan has a reputation beyond reputekenchan has a reputation beyond reputekenchan has a reputation beyond reputekenchan has a reputation beyond reputekenchan has a reputation beyond reputekenchan has a reputation beyond reputekenchan has a reputation beyond reputekenchan has a reputation beyond reputekenchan has a reputation beyond reputekenchan has a reputation beyond reputekenchan has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by zero View Post
Most micro switches are internally mechanical with contact point. The contact point can get sticky from contaminant. The switch nipples are riding on the flat profile surface of the spur gear. I saw someone posting photo by-passing those switches and get the car to start so I think you can permanently short out those switches if you know the switch circuitry.
cool. that was the part i wanted to see in more detail. so you think the oil contaminated the microswitches on the initial GTR recall? could be, huh?

Quote:
Originally Posted by zero View Post
This part does not look like 500+ dollars part. The motor got powered, then turn and drive the spur gear, spur gear turned the lock column shaft up or down. The 2 micro switches detected spur gear position and then send signal to BCM.
yah, it's probably no more than $35 to make this thing even if it was assembled in the US. service parts have huge margins for the distributor and retailer (dealers).
kenchan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2012, 03:01 PM   #2 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
ChrisSlicks's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: North East
Posts: 6,203
Drives: 09 370Z Sport M6
Rep Power: 655
ChrisSlicks has a reputation beyond reputeChrisSlicks has a reputation beyond reputeChrisSlicks has a reputation beyond reputeChrisSlicks has a reputation beyond reputeChrisSlicks has a reputation beyond reputeChrisSlicks has a reputation beyond reputeChrisSlicks has a reputation beyond reputeChrisSlicks has a reputation beyond reputeChrisSlicks has a reputation beyond reputeChrisSlicks has a reputation beyond reputeChrisSlicks has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by kenchan View Post
cool. that was the part i wanted to see in more detail. so you think the oil contaminated the microswitches on the initial GTR recall? could be, huh?
Should be able to solder bridge the appropriate switch on the backside of the circuit board creating a permanent setting of "unlocked".
__________________
Hotchkis ARB | Stillen CAI | Art Pipes | Berk CBE | Stillen AP Racing Brakes | AE Performance Oil Cooler | BC Racing ER Coilovers | Doran Control Arms
ChrisSlicks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2012, 03:02 PM   #3 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: N/A
Posts: 76,801
Drives: N/A
Rep Power: 141522
kenchan has a reputation beyond reputekenchan has a reputation beyond reputekenchan has a reputation beyond reputekenchan has a reputation beyond reputekenchan has a reputation beyond reputekenchan has a reputation beyond reputekenchan has a reputation beyond reputekenchan has a reputation beyond reputekenchan has a reputation beyond reputekenchan has a reputation beyond reputekenchan has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks View Post
Should be able to solder bridge the appropriate switch on the backside of the circuit board creating a permanent setting of "unlocked".
i wonder if the "locked" condition is needed for correct shut-down? we dont want the intelligent key icon to show up in the cluster.
kenchan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2012, 04:02 PM   #4 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
ChrisSlicks's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: North East
Posts: 6,203
Drives: 09 370Z Sport M6
Rep Power: 655
ChrisSlicks has a reputation beyond reputeChrisSlicks has a reputation beyond reputeChrisSlicks has a reputation beyond reputeChrisSlicks has a reputation beyond reputeChrisSlicks has a reputation beyond reputeChrisSlicks has a reputation beyond reputeChrisSlicks has a reputation beyond reputeChrisSlicks has a reputation beyond reputeChrisSlicks has a reputation beyond reputeChrisSlicks has a reputation beyond reputeChrisSlicks has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by kenchan View Post
i wonder if the "locked" condition is needed for correct shut-down? we dont want the intelligent key icon to show up in the cluster.
Yes the ideal would be to trigger whichever condition it desires based on the pin input signal. The problem is that this would require additional circuitry and always on power (microscopic power drain) to store the current state using a transistor pair. Definitely can be done, and for a lot cheaper than the price of a new lock. If the logic state storage isn't required it will be even simpler, but I haven't had a chance to experiment yet. I guess I will have to buy someone's dead unit since I don't feel like taking apart my working one yet

As a quick fix I think setting it to the always unlocked state would work, but give you the key icon.
__________________
Hotchkis ARB | Stillen CAI | Art Pipes | Berk CBE | Stillen AP Racing Brakes | AE Performance Oil Cooler | BC Racing ER Coilovers | Doran Control Arms
ChrisSlicks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2012, 06:45 PM   #5 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: N/A
Posts: 76,801
Drives: N/A
Rep Power: 141522
kenchan has a reputation beyond reputekenchan has a reputation beyond reputekenchan has a reputation beyond reputekenchan has a reputation beyond reputekenchan has a reputation beyond reputekenchan has a reputation beyond reputekenchan has a reputation beyond reputekenchan has a reputation beyond reputekenchan has a reputation beyond reputekenchan has a reputation beyond reputekenchan has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks View Post
Yes the ideal would be to trigger whichever condition it desires based on the pin input signal. The problem is that this would require additional circuitry and always on power (microscopic power drain) to store the current state using a transistor pair. Definitely can be done, and for a lot cheaper than the price of a new lock. If the logic state storage isn't required it will be even simpler, but I haven't had a chance to experiment yet. I guess I will have to buy someone's dead unit since I don't feel like taking apart my working one yet

As a quick fix I think setting it to the always unlocked state would work, but give you the key icon.
Sounds good. But I suppose this is something one must risk doing prior to failure...otherwise same issue with dealing with towing and dealer. Now how many users would risk taking the thing apart while it is still functional is yet another question to consider I suppose.
kenchan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2012, 06:48 PM   #6 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
zero's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Southern California
Posts: 1,259
Drives: MK 7.5 Golf R
Rep Power: 24
zero has a reputation beyond reputezero has a reputation beyond reputezero has a reputation beyond reputezero has a reputation beyond reputezero has a reputation beyond reputezero has a reputation beyond reputezero has a reputation beyond reputezero has a reputation beyond reputezero has a reputation beyond reputezero has a reputation beyond reputezero has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by kenchan View Post
Sounds good. But I suppose this is something one must risk doing prior to failure...otherwise same issue with dealing with towing and dealer. Now how many users would risk taking the thing apart while it is still functional is yet another question to consider I suppose.
I just looked at photos of the lock unit internal mechanism. It looks like the 2 switches activated by the column shaft. So the 2 switches will determine if you can start the car or not.
__________________
http://www.the370z.com/members/zero-albums-general-photos-picture107371-capture.jpg
zero is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2012, 06:53 PM   #7 (permalink)
Base Member
 
KORRUPT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Ottawa
Posts: 75
Drives: 09 MB 370Z
Rep Power: 16
KORRUPT will become famous soon enoughKORRUPT will become famous soon enough
Default

Hope this helps.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Ottawa-20120328-00106.jpg (38.9 KB, 51 views)
__________________
AFE / HPS / STILLEN CBE / AMS SS
KORRUPT is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Just joined the "Dreaded Steering Lock Club" Timotay New Forum Member 2 03-06-2013 04:40 PM
Need a steering lock assembly!! bfowlzr33 Wanted 8 01-02-2013 04:40 PM
Dreaded steering lock Jim Roberts Exterior & Interior 2 12-12-2012 03:08 PM
Steering lock repair fritz DIY Section (Do-It-Yourself) 38 02-22-2012 09:30 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:02 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2