Steel rotors on 370z?

Rusty · 10-18-2021, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by TobinH

pretty sure OP is asking about steel vs iron rotors in regards to reducing unsprung weight.

sort of an interesting subject if you want to do some reading, but irrelevant for the use case described here.

If you weight lightweight. Get carbon/carbon brake set up. Hope you're a trust fund baby.

Botaine · 10-19-2021, 08:11 AM

I was hoping for something that costs less than the car... What are the lightest rotors for the base trim brakes? Or what are the best street performance pads and rotors for them anyway.

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JARblue · 10-19-2021, 10:30 AM

Just get some OEE from your local parts store and stop overthinking it. Standard blanks and OEM pads or Centric Posi-Quiet pads should be fine. If you get anything else expect a lot more brake dust on your wheels. If you have money burning a hole in your pocket get the Akebono setup.

Maybe also try doing some research on your own instead of asking to be spoonfed information. There are other threads on this topic. It does not appear that you have read any of them.

cv129 · 10-19-2021, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Botaine

I was hoping for something that costs less than the car... What are the lightest rotors for the base trim brakes? Or what are the best street performance pads and rotors for them anyway.

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No lightweight options for base rotors.

Have you been smoking your pads? What’s your complain about your current pads?

Rusty · 10-19-2021, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Botaine

I was hoping for something that costs less than the car... What are the lightest rotors for the base trim brakes? Or what are the best street performance pads and rotors for them anyway.

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There is no steel brake rotors. Just cast iron. The best cast iron rotors are RacingBrake. But not for you.

https://www.z1motorsports.com/z1-pro...2f57dac8d62f31

https://www.z1motorsports.com/z1-pro...46b84c961b3fb0

https://www.summitracing.com/search/...ubmodel%3Abase

Botaine · 10-19-2021, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by cv129

No lightweight options for base rotors.

Have you been smoking your pads? What’s your complain about your current pads?

I'm getting a little pulsating and juddering with high speed stops so I think that means I need new rotors. Just wanted to get some opinions on good ones. I'm using ebc blue pads. They stop well but do make a little squeaking on occasion at low speed. I don't think I will benefit from akebono calipers since I don't track the car or go fast more than maybe 10 minutes at a time so I was looking for other options.

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JARblue · 10-19-2021, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Botaine

I'm getting a little pulsating and juddering with high speed stops so I think that means I need new rotors. Just wanted to get some opinions on good ones. I'm using ebc blue pads. They stop well but do make a little squeaking on occasion at low speed. I don't think I will benefit from akebono calipers since I don't track the car or go fast more than maybe 10 minutes at a time so I was looking for other options.

Might be able to have a shop turn the rotors for you without needing to replace them. EBC blue pads are fine but you should know those are a streetable entry-level track pad. You might want to switch to a ceramic pad instead of a semi-metallic if you want less noise

The Centric Posi-Quiets won't bite as hard but will dust less. Hawk Peformance Ceramic pads will still bite decently and are not as dusty. EBC Red and Green pads are good stuff, too. You have a number of options and just have to decide what's right for you based on your needs.

DrBacon · 10-19-2021, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by JARblue

That makes absolutely no sense

The sport package brakes have an extra piston in the calipers along with bigger pads and rotors vs the base brakes. The extra clamping force and larger pad contact surface area contribute to significantly improved braking capabilities.

Different tires and their wear condition can also significantly impact braking ability.

No, bigger brakes does not exactly equate to better stopping distances. Pretty common misconception.

Your tires and even suspension is where that comes from. Having extra pistons on a caliper distributes the force on the pad and rotor which reduces heating for heavy brake use (many hard braking in a short time or lots of weight from a heavy car or towing something). As long as the brakes have the ability to overcome the traction of the tires then there is effectively no difference in a single emergency stop situation.

JARblue · 10-19-2021, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DrBacon

No, bigger brakes does not exactly equate to better stopping distances. Pretty common misconception.

Your tires and even suspension is where that comes from. Having extra pistons on a caliper distributes the force on the pad and rotor which reduces heating for heavy brake use (many hard braking in a short time or lots of weight from a heavy car or towing something). As long as the brakes have the ability to overcome the traction of the tires then there is effectively no difference in a single emergency stop situation.

Which is why this guy is fine with the base brakes. There's a lot of variables that go into braking, of course. I realize an earlier statement I made is not exactly clear - it was a response to a statement I misread.

The time that it takes smaller brakes to reach that threshold vs bigger brakes is quite small, I'll give you that. But in an emergency situation, that can mean the difference between an impact or not. All other things being equal, that is.

Spooler · 10-19-2021, 07:10 PM

It is always better to have more brakes, then less, or None..... LMAO!!! Don't skimp out.

2011 Nismo#91 · 10-20-2021, 06:45 AM

I'm starting to hate light weight brakes threads as much as oil threads. There are may other places you can remove weight for less money and less headache.

Botaine · 10-20-2021, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by 2011 Nismo#91

I'm starting to hate light weight brakes threads as much as oil threads. There are may other places you can remove weight for less money and less headache.

It's a bigger deal for performance to reduce the weight of moving parts though.

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cv129 · 10-20-2021, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Botaine

It's a bigger deal for performance to reduce the weight of moving parts though.

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Lol, Nismo#91 is weeelllll aware of that fact.

JARblue · 10-20-2021, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Botaine

It's a bigger deal for performance to reduce the weight of moving parts though.

The real question is why does it even matter to you? You're not doing time attack. You'll never be able to quantify (much less notice) the weight loss on the street even during spirited driving. The car is plenty capable as is.

OptionZero · 10-20-2021, 02:35 PM

Man you drive an automatic, stock Z base model that is not used in any performance driving situation

Get your stock replacement rotors and pads and let's back off this bench racing talk

If you want to talk actual braking performance upgrades, head to the track forum and they'll tell you to get new lightweight 18, sticky tires, a better pad compound, 2 piece rotors, sport calipers or better, some better fluid and SS lines, and ducting, along with coilovers and the SPL package

All of which you aren't gonna do

So why are we playing around?

Go to autozone, spend a couple bucks, and enjoy your trip to school/grocery store

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OptionZero A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Sacramento Posts: 3,160 Drives: 15 370Z Nismo 6MT Rep Power: 203226	Man you drive an automatic, stock Z base model that is not used in any performance driving situation Get your stock replacement rotors and pads and let's back off this bench racing talk If you want to talk actual braking performance upgrades, head to the track forum and they'll tell you to get new lightweight 18, sticky tires, a better pad compound, 2 piece rotors, sport calipers or better, some better fluid and SS lines, and ducting, along with coilovers and the SPL package All of which you aren't gonna do So why are we playing around? Go to autozone, spend a couple bucks, and enjoy your trip to school/grocery store JARblue and Rusty like this. __________________ OptionZero Build Thread

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