Suspension Upgrade for DD

littlejuanito · 01-26-2016, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by chopin_guy88

Holy smokes that took off quick -- so, if I may, why the recommendations against struts/springs/coilovers? Just interested to understand the motivation in recommending them over the two options I'm considering?

I agree with TerribleONe, more bang for your buck. IMO, I think the more elements you add, it gets more complicated to fine tune.

zguynate · 01-26-2016, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by chopin_guy88

Dragon -- so you put swifts on with the factory struts and no camber package? That seems like a lot of drop to go without both of those...

Yep. I have about 30k miles on them like that too and they are still good.

I also have whiteline sway bars. I have the front and rear. My fronts are on the soft setting with OEM end links.

chopin_guy88 · 01-26-2016, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz

It just depends on what you want, but once you start down the road of springs and coils you may need camber arms and other supporting mods. It's all about how much you want to spend and the outcome you are looking for.

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Thanks man -- this is what I figured. I was prepared to do the first option of struts and springs -- which included the cost for a full camber kit for front and rear.

Given the price of a front sway bar -- I might still do the first option and add a the front sway bar to the mix.

Is the no need for the rear sway on our cars?

Hotrodz · 01-26-2016, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by chopin_guy88

Thanks man -- this is what I figured. I was prepared to do the first option of struts and springs -- which included the cost for a full camber kit for front and rear.

Given the price of a front sway bar -- I might still do the first option and add a the front sway bar to the mix.

Is the no need for the rear sway on our cars?

There again it depends on you and your driving style. As a general rule our cars need more front bar to counter the under steering our push...adding more rear bar will make the rear end more happy. I initially installed the rear bar and had my front set to full soft. I got a snap under steer a couple of times and that is some scary ****. After reading about other experiences I decided to go full stiff and put my Nismo rear bar back on and she handles pretty good now. Also, the Nismo rear bar is stiffer than the base or sport bar, but not as stiff as the after market bars discussed.

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kenchan · 01-26-2016, 01:37 PM

yep, plus with the stiff rear bar during off-throttle, the tail will slide out causing yawn control (aka yaw control) to prematurely activate making ur car drive like shitt.. problem with yawn control is dat u gotta keep applying throttle to not activate it which makes it even more difficult to control the car at times. just leave the rear bar alone.

BasementBobby · 01-29-2016, 10:41 AM

Ive had my car on H&R springs for about 20k miles with no camber arms. What exactly do the camber arms do?

TerribleONE · 01-29-2016, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by BasementBobby

Ive had my car on H&R springs for about 20k miles with no camber arms. What exactly do the camber arms do?

Allow you to get your camber back to stock #s and prevent getting camber wear on your tires

Rusty · 01-29-2016, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

yep, plus with the stiff rear bar during off-throttle, the tail will slide out causing yawn control (aka yaw control) to prematurely activate making ur car drive like shitt.. problem with yawn control is dat u gotta keep applying throttle to not activate it which makes it even more difficult to control the car at times. just leave the rear bar alone.

Also yaw control will apply a rear brake to straighten out the Z if the rear is drifting alittle too.

Hotrodz · 01-30-2016, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Rusty

Also yaw control will apply a rear brake to straighten out the Z if the rear is drifting alittle too.

That is another scary deal when you have already made the correction!

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Rusty · 01-30-2016, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz

That is another scary deal when you have already made the correction!

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Had a trackday instructor jump all over my **** on my second track day for applying the brake mid turn. Told him it isn't me that did that. It was the car that did it. Had to show him the video from the session to prove my point. Make sure to turn off the traction control.

Hotrodz · 01-30-2016, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty

Had a trackday instructor jump all over my **** on my second track day for applying the brake mid turn. Told him it isn't me that did that. It was the car that did it. Had to show him the video from the session to prove my point. Make sure to turn off the traction control.

The first thing I do after starting the car VDC off!

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kenchan · 01-30-2016, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty

Also yaw control will apply a rear brake to straighten out the Z if the rear is drifting alittle too.

Yah the VDC needs to be off and u need to keep applying throttle for yawn control not to activate. It can't be defeated while throttle-off even if VDC is turned off.

kenchan · 01-30-2016, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz

The first thing I do after starting the car VDC off!

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Me 2 I hate VDC unless over an icy bridge or something.

RadioFlyer · 02-27-2016, 01:12 PM

Wire in a switch to bypass the G sensor under the center console and it kills the EBD.

01-26-2016, 01:37 PM	#35 (permalink)
kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141520	yep, plus with the stiff rear bar during off-throttle, the tail will slide out causing yawn control (aka yaw control) to prematurely activate making ur car drive like shitt.. problem with yawn control is dat u gotta keep applying throttle to not activate it which makes it even more difficult to control the car at times. just leave the rear bar alone. Hotrodz and chopin_guy88 like this.

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