There must be something wrong with me...No digging the Pilot super sports...

122554 · 05-05-2013, 07:26 PM

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with most of you. Michelin tires are not a true performance tire. If they're advertising 40K miles, that's not a performance tire. You have to make a choice. Performance or tire life. I'm running Nitto Invo's. I really don't expect to get more than 15K miles out of them.

kenchan · 05-05-2013, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 122554

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with most of you. Michelin tires are not a true performance tire. If they're advertising 40K miles, that's not a performance tire. You have to make a choice. Performance or tire life. I'm running Nitto Invo's.

UFreefer · 05-05-2013, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 122554

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with most of you. Michelin tires are not a true performance tire. If they're advertising 40K miles, that's not a performance tire. You have to make a choice. Performance or tire life. I'm running Nitto Invo's. I really don't expect to get more than 15K miles out of them.

LOL. The SS was specifically designed for the 458 italia...I'd consider that a high performance car. It's the favorite tire for many R8, Mseries, corvette and 911 drivers. It's an amazing tire and can't wait to get my set mounted on the volks.

Joepro · 05-05-2013, 07:35 PM

There have been countless tests(assuming the fault is ME and poor size decision not the tires) that prove the PSS is the benchmark performance tire, unless Michelin is paying them all. Tread life warranty is a marketing tool, it keeps you in that brand of tires, Michelin is smart to do this, and its 30k, and they cut that in half for staggard tires, so it is really 15k

chrischhorn · 05-05-2013, 07:41 PM

LOL @ Invo's outperforming PSS's. The tire world isn't what it used to be thinking that just because the PSS's have a mileage warranty that they cant perform with the best of them? Thats just stupid logic. Michelin is the top tire manufacturer in the WORLD and has some of the most expensive tires you can buy. For the right price, you can build the best of both worlds which Michelin did. Just have to say I literally LOL'd again at the thought of Invo's outperforming PSS's.

m4a1mustang · 05-05-2013, 07:43 PM

Yeah the PSS will walk all over Invos, which are a pretty lousy performance tire by today's standards. Marginally better than the Hankook V12.

Joepro · 05-05-2013, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Hankook V12.

made that mistake on my 350z....

DarkJak · 05-06-2013, 01:12 AM

The supersports are definitely a performance tire, just not a track compound.

They're also known to have softer sidewalls. It's why they weigh less than other tires by a few lbs I think. I'm guessing it's the combination of running a bit oversized, your driving style, plus sensitivity to feeling the wobbling. Does the tire lose grip when that happens?

Joepro · 05-06-2013, 09:46 AM

No does not loose grip at all, its just annoyinghaving to learn to drive the tires so to speak, I know they are not going to slide or break loose, its just an unconfortable feeling for me. I have made the decision if I can sell them local I will switch, if not, I will live with it, maybe its a blessing in disguise, it will slow me down a bit

m4a1mustang · 05-06-2013, 09:49 AM

Not sure if it's been mentioned or not, but new tires almost always feel softer because you're going from no tread to full tread.

Fountainhead · 05-08-2013, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Not sure if it's been mentioned or not, but new tires almost always feel softer because you're going from no tread to full tread.

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Joepro · 05-08-2013, 09:27 PM

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Not sure if it's been mentioned or not, but new tires almost always feel softer because you're going from no tread to full tread.

I never run my tires bald, the front were still 6/32nds but dry rotting and hardened, the rear were 3/32nds.

chrischhorn · 05-09-2013, 12:12 AM

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I never run my tires bald, the front were still 6/32nds but dry rotting and hardened, the rear were 3/32nds.

As stated before, most people on this forum don't run this car as hard as you or I do and the people that do are running the RE-11's, AD08's, Direzzas, RS-3's or something of that caliber. Basically a step short of R-Comps. The PSS's can handle some track time but they are built for the streets. Aggressive corner carving like I do, I wouldn't last long on the PSS's as I've driven my friends 350z on them and they do bite but not enough steering response as you said. Not only that, at 40 psi, you're not using anywhere near enough contact patch to get the full effect of the traction they provide. 32ish would be ideal.

kenchan · 05-10-2013, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by chrischhorn

Not only that, at 40 psi, you're not using anywhere near enough contact patch to get the full effect of the traction they provide. 32ish would be ideal.

32ish is low... 3psi lower than factory recommendation which is already kinda low geared for comfort. if the tires feel good at that psi, then there is no way in hell they will have the firm-ish ride i want.

thanks for the info!

chrischhorn · 05-10-2013, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

32ish is low... 3psi lower than factory recommendation which is already kinda low geared for comfort. if the tires feel good at that psi, then there is no way in hell they will have the firm-ish ride i want.

thanks for the info!

Firm steering response? no but better contact

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Joepro A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Athens ohio Posts: 1,213 Drives: Company car Rep Power: 35	There have been countless tests(assuming the fault is ME and poor size decision not the tires) that prove the PSS is the benchmark performance tire, unless Michelin is paying them all. Tread life warranty is a marketing tool, it keeps you in that brand of tires, Michelin is smart to do this, and its 30k, and they cut that in half for staggard tires, so it is really 15k __________________ Swift\|Koni\|SPC\| FI CBE\|Z1\|Stillen\|Sbend\|Zspeed\|R/T Tuned\|523 whp\|458 tq\|10.5 psi\|SOLD Joepro's Journal\|Joepro's Boosted Performance Build \|Pittsburgh-Western-Pa-Ohio-Wv-Group

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chrischhorn A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Mililani, HI Posts: 1,566 Drives: 2014 Juke Nismo RS Rep Power: 18	LOL @ Invo's outperforming PSS's. The tire world isn't what it used to be thinking that just because the PSS's have a mileage warranty that they cant perform with the best of them? Thats just stupid logic. Michelin is the top tire manufacturer in the WORLD and has some of the most expensive tires you can buy. For the right price, you can build the best of both worlds which Michelin did. Just have to say I literally LOL'd again at the thought of Invo's outperforming PSS's. __________________ R.I.P. 8/01/13 1SlowZ One day I'll have another....

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m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6964	Yeah the PSS will walk all over Invos, which are a pretty lousy performance tire by today's standards. Marginally better than the Hankook V12. Masa and chrischhorn like this. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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DarkJak A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 1,397 Drives: 2009 370Z Rep Power: 16805	The supersports are definitely a performance tire, just not a track compound. They're also known to have softer sidewalls. It's why they weigh less than other tires by a few lbs I think. I'm guessing it's the combination of running a bit oversized, your driving style, plus sensitivity to feeling the wobbling. Does the tire lose grip when that happens? __________________ @stupidtoycars \| My track vids 09 7AT\|MCS 2WNR\|Topgunz Rotrex\|Ecutek (Eugene)\|Maxxis RC1\|Titan-7 TS-5\|OSG LSD\|Rear Mount Derale Oil Cooler (WIP)+25 Trans Cooler\|Fismo\|G-LOC R12/R10\|Zeta III L\|NLR Wing and Splitter\|CJM Pan and Fuel Hat\|Radium Surge Tank\|AP Racing CP9668

05-06-2013, 09:46 AM	#9 (permalink)
Joepro A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Athens ohio Posts: 1,213 Drives: Company car Rep Power: 35	No does not loose grip at all, its just annoyinghaving to learn to drive the tires so to speak, I know they are not going to slide or break loose, its just an unconfortable feeling for me. I have made the decision if I can sell them local I will switch, if not, I will live with it, maybe its a blessing in disguise, it will slow me down a bit __________________ Swift\|Koni\|SPC\| FI CBE\|Z1\|Stillen\|Sbend\|Zspeed\|R/T Tuned\|523 whp\|458 tq\|10.5 psi\|SOLD Joepro's Journal\|Joepro's Boosted Performance Build \|Pittsburgh-Western-Pa-Ohio-Wv-Group Last edited by Joepro; 05-06-2013 at 09:48 AM.

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m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6964	Not sure if it's been mentioned or not, but new tires almost always feel softer because you're going from no tread to full tread. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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