Anyone have a setup of 15mm spacers in front and 20 rear?

BlackCherryZ · 02-04-2010, 02:34 PM

i think minicobra had similar setup with spacer, eibach spring, and sway bar, but he did not state about the alignment.......nor camber kit...........

i think i also read that with spacer in this particular set-up, there would be less of the effective negative camber........thus, alignment is not required.........

is my understanding accurate? please enlighten me *^^*

so, camber kit is a must........with spacer, sway bar, and eibach spring with wider tires on OEM rays...

also, in terms of balancing, what is the optimal camber spec? is OEM spec the optimal?

i would think this would be more of personal preference, but for a daily driver what is the optimal camber spec......

does anyone have similar set-up as what i have listed including 255/35 and 295/30 tires in OEM Rays?

i would appreciate feedbacks based on experience......

Mike · 02-04-2010, 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackCherryZ

i think minicobra had similar setup with spacer, eibach spring, and sway bar, but he did not state about the alignment.......nor camber kit...........

i think i also read that with spacer in this particular set-up, there would be less of the effective negative camber........thus, alignment is not required...........

spacers only, you don't need an alignment, although it would be good to get. But with springs, or any suspension change, once you start unbolting and rebolting things together, you always need an alignment. I'm putting Nismo suspension in right now and will need another alignment when I'm done.

m4a1mustang · 02-04-2010, 02:43 PM

OEM spec is optimal for daily driving.

RCZ · 02-04-2010, 02:52 PM

^ for you maybe

I'm at -2.5 all day every day.

m4a1mustang · 02-04-2010, 02:53 PM

Personal preference!

m4a1mustang · 02-04-2010, 02:54 PM

I am going to run my Z in NASCAR anyways so I am going to have like +8 degrees in the left front.

RCZ · 02-04-2010, 04:09 PM

-8 on the right, +8 on the left, case closed. VIP NASCAR Style

BlackCherryZ · 02-04-2010, 04:13 PM

just curious, why are the aligned camber specs different from one side to the other, from right to left?

i understand that to balance understeer and oversteer, the front and rear should be adjusted to one's preference - thus, their specs could be different.

just a bit baffled............should not the two front tires have the same spec, just assuminging that everything is new and properly functional?

once again, thank you, RCZ and M4A1mustang........... i appreciate your patience... *^^*

RCZ · 02-04-2010, 04:32 PM

no no no that was a joke, they should be equal! Dont get confused.

Also -8 degrees is a ridiculous amount of camber. You should be aiming for something like -1.5ish front and -1.3 rear at most. Others will tell you to go higher... like a -1.3F and -1.0R. Look at it this way, the more negative you go, the more responsive and grippy the car is, but they will also wear out quicker.

m4a1mustang · 02-04-2010, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RCZ

no no no that was a joke, they should be equal! Dont get confused.

Also -8 degrees is a ridiculous amount of camber. You should be aiming for something like -1.5ish front and -1.3 rear at most. Others will tell you to go higher... like a -1.3F and -1.0R. Look at it this way, the more negative you go, the more responsive and grippy the car is, but they will also wear out quicker.

Yeah... those are in strictly racing conditions... and oval racing at that, which is going to be a lot more aggressive with camber settings due to the extreme banking in the corners.

I remember some teams were running around +12 on the left front at Pocono a few years back. There were a lot of issues with blowing the left front out that year and it became a safety issue so the maximum camber when they came back was limited to +8 degrees.

You just have to keep in mind that the whole idea of running any camber at all is to maximize the tire's contact patch while loaded in a corner. Most road course setups (and all street setups) are going to be symmetrical for the best 50/50 balance possible. However when you get into some more hardcore racing where you tweak the setup for each individual track, you start to see some asymmetrical setups show up.

BlackCherryZ · 02-04-2010, 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RCZ

no no no that was a joke, they should be equal! Dont get confused.

Also -8 degrees is a ridiculous amount of camber. You should be aiming for something like -1.5ish front and -1.3 rear at most. Others will tell you to go higher... like a -1.3F and -1.0R. Look at it this way, the more negative you go, the more responsive and grippy the car is, but they will also wear out quicker.

i know that was a joke

i am not that cynical or impractical...............

but i was not referring to your post...............

someone from this forum posted his/her after alignment camber specs and i was wondering why the numbers were different from the right side to the left.

it would seem obvious to have the same spec on the same side for normal, daily driving.............. but i was just curious....

i guess getting a camber kit cannot go wrong........but it's additional $500 plus the installation (i do not have the balls to install it myself yet

)

not asking much, just wish i had about $20K for modding purposes....... damn, it's so hard to balance budget........

simply, there are tooooooooooooooooooo many mods........... and I AM no less greedy than most of us here.............

BlackCherryZ · 02-05-2010, 11:10 AM

how do you give rep points..............RCZ is awesome and dedicated........so is m4a1mustang..............

m4a1mustang · 02-05-2010, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCherryZ

how do you give rep points..............RCZ is awesome and dedicated........so is m4a1mustang..............

Hehe... on the left hand box with our names you will see 3 icons at the very bottom. The middle one is the "add to users reputation box."

ZForce · 02-06-2010, 04:40 PM

k...rep-points given to RCZ and m4a1mustang for a super job in explaining sways.

Q: How come your sigs still have the same Rep Power numbers?

RCZ · 02-07-2010, 11:46 AM

You have to get a lot more than one to get the points up and it's also tied to your number of posts. Another tip, leave your name on the comment section when you give rep so people can know who its coming from! Thanks for the rep guys!

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02-04-2010, 02:34 PM	#1 (permalink)
BlackCherryZ Base Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 183 Drives: 2010 BC-Z M6 Rep Power: 16	i think minicobra had similar setup with spacer, eibach spring, and sway bar, but he did not state about the alignment.......nor camber kit........... i think i also read that with spacer in this particular set-up, there would be less of the effective negative camber........thus, alignment is not required......... is my understanding accurate? please enlighten me ^^ so, camber kit is a must........with spacer, sway bar, and eibach spring with wider tires on OEM rays... also, in terms of balancing, what is the optimal camber spec? is OEM spec the optimal? i would think this would be more of personal preference, but for a daily driver what is the optimal camber spec...... does anyone have similar set-up as what i have listed including 255/35 and 295/30 tires in OEM Rays? i would appreciate feedbacks based on experience......

02-04-2010, 02:52 PM	#4 (permalink)
RCZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 6,403 Drives: '09 370Z Rep Power: 1119	^ for you maybe I'm at -2.5 all day every day.

02-04-2010, 04:09 PM	#7 (permalink)
RCZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 6,403 Drives: '09 370Z Rep Power: 1119	-8 on the right, +8 on the left, case closed. VIP NASCAR Style

02-04-2010, 04:13 PM	#8 (permalink)
BlackCherryZ Base Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 183 Drives: 2010 BC-Z M6 Rep Power: 16	just curious, why are the aligned camber specs different from one side to the other, from right to left? i understand that to balance understeer and oversteer, the front and rear should be adjusted to one's preference - thus, their specs could be different. just a bit baffled............should not the two front tires have the same spec, just assuminging that everything is new and properly functional? once again, thank you, RCZ and M4A1mustang........... i appreciate your patience... ^^

02-04-2010, 04:32 PM	#9 (permalink)
RCZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 6,403 Drives: '09 370Z Rep Power: 1119	no no no that was a joke, they should be equal! Dont get confused. Also -8 degrees is a ridiculous amount of camber. You should be aiming for something like -1.5ish front and -1.3 rear at most. Others will tell you to go higher... like a -1.3F and -1.0R. Look at it this way, the more negative you go, the more responsive and grippy the car is, but they will also wear out quicker.

02-05-2010, 11:10 AM	#12 (permalink)
BlackCherryZ Base Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 183 Drives: 2010 BC-Z M6 Rep Power: 16	how do you give rep points..............RCZ is awesome and dedicated........so is m4a1mustang..............

02-06-2010, 04:40 PM	#14 (permalink)
ZForce A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Roseville, CA Posts: 2,359 Drives: 09 370Z Tour + Sport Rep Power: 22	k...rep-points given to RCZ and m4a1mustang for a super job in explaining sways. Q: How come your sigs still have the same Rep Power numbers?

02-07-2010, 11:46 AM	#15 (permalink)
RCZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 6,403 Drives: '09 370Z Rep Power: 1119	You have to get a lot more than one to get the points up and it's also tied to your number of posts. Another tip, leave your name on the comment section when you give rep so people can know who its coming from! Thanks for the rep guys!