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Old 04-30-2013, 03:06 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Translation: I have nothing to say but marketing talking points and will not post any actual data to support those talking points.
I would be inclined to agree with this 100%. If there's something better than Uprev out there EVERYONE on here would be interested in it... but you need some proof that it really exists and showcases the claimed features... Every post about it so far has been nothing but hype with very condescending/ derogeratory replies to anyone that doubted it or asked for proof... Not the way to win business IMO.

Especially when you're asking people to spend potentially $1000+ on an entirely untested and unproven product with nothing but your own word to back it up
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i would be inclined to agree with this 100%. If there's something better than uprev out there everyone on here would be interested in it... But you need some proof that it really exists and showcases the claimed features... every post about it so far has been nothing but hype with very condescending/ derogeratory replies to anyone that doubted it or asked for proof... Not the way to win business imo.

Especially when you're asking people to spend potentially $1000+ on an entirely untested and unproven product with nothing but your own word to back it up
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... very condescending/ derogeratory replies to anyone that doubted it or asked for proof... Not the way to win business IMO.

Especially when you're asking people to spend potentially $1000+ on an entirely untested and unproven product with nothing but your own word to back it up
I'm probably a year away from buying tuning software so feel free to take this with a grain of salt. I have no idea how good or how bad the EcuTek stuff is but if visconti is any indication of the support I would get I'm scratching it off the list of candidates.

visconti: It's probably unintentional but you come across as a real jackass sometimes (I do too, but I'm not selling anything). Hire somebody else to handle your PR. It sounds like you have a good product but a salesman you ain't.
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I'm probably a year away from buying tuning software so feel free to take this with a grain of salt. I have no idea how good or how bad the EcuTek stuff is but if visconti is any indication of the support I would get I'm scratching it off the list of candidates.

visconti: It's probably unintentional but you come across as a real jackass sometimes (I do too, but I'm not selling anything). Hire somebody else to handle your PR. It sounds like you have a good product but a salesman you ain't.
Sometimes JV comes off as a bit harsh, but don't let that put you off his work, or by extension, EcuTek. John is one of the better tuners in the business, and makes up for his lack of people skills where it counts.

For those of you down here in the south, that want proof the Ecutek SW is the way to go, let me know, and I'll arrange a freebie for someone here at our shop. We have used the up rev suite, and have now added the 370 to our EcuTek arsenal, and from a calibrations standpoint, there is no comparison. And I think you will agree when you drive the cars, back to back.
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Sometimes JV comes off as a bit harsh, but don't let that put you off his work, or by extension, EcuTek. John is one of the better tuners in the business, and makes up for his lack of people skills where it counts.

For those of you down here in the south, that want proof the Ecutek SW is the way to go, let me know, and I'll arrange a freebie for someone here at our shop. We have used the up rev suite, and have now added the 370 to our EcuTek arsenal, and from a calibrations standpoint, there is no comparison. And I think you will agree when you drive the cars, back to back.
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Well, I'd be willing to drive down for this. What better test platform than the **** talker himself?

It'll have to be late May early June though.

Maybe someone else with a good UpRev tune already on the car can get down there sooner?
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I could swing by after work. I'd have to run down to Perrysburg first though to get my Uprev cable and then flash back to stock while I'm there. Probably wouldn't get there until around 6:30-6:45 though. Don't know if this will work or not Shoot me a PM with your number and I can give you a call this morning sometime.
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Sometimes JV comes off as a bit harsh, but don't let that put you off his work, or by extension, EcuTek. John is one of the better tuners in the business, and makes up for his lack of people skills where it counts.

For those of you down here in the south, that want proof the Ecutek SW is the way to go, let me know, and I'll arrange a freebie for someone here at our shop. We have used the up rev suite, and have now added the 370 to our EcuTek arsenal, and from a calibrations standpoint, there is no comparison. And I think you will agree when you drive the cars, back to back.
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Sometimes JV comes off as a bit harsh, but don't let that put you off his work, or by extension, EcuTek. John is one of the better tuners in the business, and makes up for his lack of people skills where it counts.

For those of you down here in the south, that want proof the Ecutek SW is the way to go, let me know, and I'll arrange a freebie for someone here at our shop. We have used the up rev suite, and have now added the 370 to our EcuTek arsenal, and from a calibrations standpoint, there is no comparison. And I think you will agree when you drive the cars, back to back.
Sadly more people care about having their *** kissed nowadays rather than having someone skilled do what they do. It's ridiculous how butt hurt some of the forum members get.
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Sometimes JV comes off as a bit harsh, but don't let that put you off his work, or by extension, EcuTek. John is one of the better tuners in the business, and makes up for his lack of people skills where it counts. ...
Perhaps "jackass" was not the best word to use (although, according to you and some other posts in this thread, it's probably accurate ). "Scammer" would probably have been a better word. The way he dodges the questions and dismisses requests for evidence reminds me a lot of HHO proponents and other scammers.

Apparently he is not a scammer (EcuTek gets plenty of good reviews for their other tuning product and I'll take your word for it that he knows what he's doing) but he sure sounds like one to me. I stand by my recommendation to find someone else to handle PR.
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Perhaps "jackass" was not the best word to use (although, according to you and some other posts in this thread, it's probably accurate ). "Scammer" would probably have been a better word. The way he dodges the questions and dismisses requests for evidence reminds me a lot of HHO proponents and other scammers.

Apparently he is not a scammer (EcuTek gets plenty of good reviews for their other tuning product and I'll take your word for it that he knows what he's doing) but he sure sounds like one to me. I stand by my recommendation to find someone else to handle PR.

I'm not going to kiss *** or post datalogs of my work.

If anyone wants to see datalogs, they can purchase the tune and have a look for themselves.

Again, if what I've posted isn't enough.. don't buy it.. But there's plenty of people already lined up to get tunes so you can wait to see the results from them.

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If anyone wants to see datalogs, they can purchase the tune and have a look for themselves.

Again, if what I've posted isn't enough.. don't buy it.. But there's plenty of people already lined up to get tunes so you can wait to see the results from them.

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So I had the chance to meet Visconti today and talk to him about the ECUtek software along with him showing me the software and what it means for our platform.

First the man. Visconti is actually a nice person regardless of the devil some of us have made him out to be and seems to know his sh!t quite well. He just seems to come across as what people think of when they think of a stereotypical engineer, slightly egotistical and a little on the condescending side. No offense Visconti.

Now the important part, the software. All I can say is wow. First the part that is just "nice" is that many of the tables that we already have in Uprev but use meaningless numbers actually have meaningful values (ie. instead of 32560 it would actually display the "requested torque" value in Newton-Meters).

Next ECUtek stops the ECU from switching between the 7 different timing strategies that it has and instead forces it to use a single timing table therfore providing predictable control of timing while still retaining knock protection.

The promising part is the valve timing and lift tables. From what I got out of Visconti, there is still development left to be done with the VVEL system. Sounded like ECUtek is saving this for last in the event that they accidently crash the valves into the pistons and have to rebuild the motor.

Now what makes ECUtek far superior to UpRev (atleast IMO):
There are user definable tables that are available for extra things. It also allows for new sensors to be swapped in place of other "unnecessary" (emissions, etc.) sensors. The same can be done with output type devices. This would obviously benefit the FI guys more than us NA guys but it's still impressive.

A few examples would be adding an ethanol/gas ratio sensor and then adjusting boost pressure based on ethanol content. Also no lift to shift could easily be accomplished by just creating custom tables and then triggering a table to alter the necessary engine settings. Another possibility is an ECU based boost controller. The possibilities are endless in my opinion.

The real key to all this custom functionality is the tuner as I would liken this more to computer programming than just changing table entries.

fwiw I didn't get tuned as ECUtek doesn't support my ECU yet so don't bother asking if I got any gains from just going to ECUtek.

If I got anything wrong Visconti just let me know and I can edit the post.
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I'm not going to kiss *** or post datalogs of my work.

If anyone wants to see datalogs, they can purchase the tune and have a look for themselves.

Again, if what I've posted isn't enough.. don't buy it.. But there's plenty of people already lined up to get tunes so you can wait to see the results from them.

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Both of you are Clearly mistaken then if you think people are asking questions to have their "asses kissed". That's just as immature as completely ignoring valid questions posed about your product.

You come on here saying you have a vastly superior product (which you very well might, no one is denying the potential) yet Zero proof to the end user accept your word, and the fact that others are getting in line. That's all well and good for the guy who Hasn't been tuned yet. But as it was stated before, you have competition, UpRev. Who has been in the market already for years and has done several Zs. We are asking as users that have already had tune A, that if tune B is better, and we will most definitely want it, to see proof of HOW it is better before spending the same amount from tune A all over again.

Now again, you say you have a superior product, that is Better than the competition. Yet you will provide zero proof or evidence to support that claim. On top of that, you get an attitude and talk down to members asking for you to post some sort of evidence and comparison. But as of yet, there is nothing. You've posted a gain over a STOCK 370Z. That's nice, but that's not any different than what UpRev gives you. So as it stands right now, you are on a level playing field. There's been nothing proven that shows your product is superior. Again, this is not saying that it may not be, but that as of yet, there is no evidence to substantiate this claim.

If you didn't have the numbers yet, then say so. And people would wait for reviews and build threads. But your advertising it is better, and then blatantly refuse to respond to direct questions paints a bad picture. If the software is good to go to the market, you've obviously Tested it on a Z correct? All of the features you claim you can control would have had to be given a basic quality assurance test on some car before you give it to the people... right? So where is that data? Cause I guarantee you, if you take an UpRev tuned car, and put your software on it, and still make more gains Safely, you'll have people knocking down your door to get it. Instead, you insult the people whom you hope to gain the business of. Not a good way of attracting customers...
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If anyone wants to see datalogs, they can purchase the tune and have a look for themselves.

Again, if what I've posted isn't enough.. don't buy it.. But there's plenty of people already lined up to get tunes so you can wait to see the results from them.

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Nobody is expecting (or even asking) you to kiss a$$. All they are asking for if reasonable evidence that your product does what you claim.

I rest my case. Thanks for clarifying that you really are a jackass and not just a poor communicator.
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