VVEL control unlocked

gomer_110 · 10-28-2012, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX

I think VVT-I is more like VVEL...

VVT-i is Toyota's version of Honda's Vtec. The method of operation described is identical to Honda's Vtec. fwiw I did an internship at Honda's engine plant so I have a pretty in depth understanding of Vtec.

jpritche · 10-28-2012, 05:05 PM

Bump. Anyone heard anything else on this? Gains? Dynos?

Z370Z011 · 10-28-2012, 06:06 PM

So was it really unlocked or is it just a myth?

XwChriswX · 10-28-2012, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Z370Z011

So was it really unlocked or is it just a myth?

There have been several claims/rumors, but no actual evidence or fact that has been available for the masses.

edub370 · 10-29-2012, 08:39 AM

in other news, who gives a ****

O&G · 10-29-2012, 10:58 AM

Bit of an update: last week my tuner had a chance to re-tune my car for the colder weather. I was not at the shop when he was messing with it, I believe he worked on it from about 7:30pm to around 12:30am. I got a few funny texts from him that night:
"tried different things with the VVEL"
"I can make this b*tch sound like it has a big *ss cam in it"
"F*ck your car"
"slight exhaust leak before the turbo"
"Turned of the throttle control, makes it feel like it has a throttle cable now"
"I can definitely adjust cam timing, going to call Jared tomorrow and see about adjusting lift"
"Third gear pulls crazy"
"made 24 more wtq @ 2400 rpm"

Johnny cracks me up! I picked the car up Friday and drove it all weekend and took it Import Face Off with no issues at all. The car was a totally new beast, felt more like my old built TT 350Z. I'm about to go take a few GoPro vids via 98intrigues camera and post them up in my journal! I'll be dropping the car back off at the shop Tuesday to do some more testing, fix the exhaust leak and get some more numbers. I'll keep yall posted.

gabe3d · 10-29-2012, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by edub370

in other news, who gives a ****

You should if you care about seeing how other tuners on other platforms has done with similar technologies. Otherwise you can live short sighted. It's up to you.

Quote:

Originally Posted by O&G

Bit of an update: last week my tuner had a chance to re-tune my car for the colder weather. I was not at the shop when he was messing with it, I believe he worked on it from about 7:30pm to around 12:30am. I got a few funny texts from him that night:
"tried different things with the VVEL"
"I can make this b*tch sound like it has a big *ss cam in it"
"F*ck your car"
"slight exhaust leak before the turbo"
"Turned of the throttle control, makes it feel like it has a throttle cable now"
"I can definitely adjust cam timing, going to call Jared tomorrow and see about adjusting lift"
"Third gear pulls crazy"
"made 24 more wtq @ 2400 rpm"

Johnny cracks me up! I picked the car up Friday and drove it all weekend and took it Import Face Off with no issues at all. The car was a totally new beast, felt more like my old built TT 350Z. I'm about to go take a few GoPro vids via 98intrigues camera and post them up in my journal! I'll be dropping the car back off at the shop Tuesday to do some more testing, fix the exhaust leak and get some more numbers. I'll keep yall posted.

Good to hear, that things went well. Next part will be the part that will be most interesting. Keep up the good work and let us know how it goes.

edub370 · 10-29-2012, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by gabe3d

You should if you care about seeing how other tuners on other platforms has done with similar technologies. Otherwise you can live short sighted. It's up to you.

ya excpet there vvti works NOTHING like our our VVEL... in absolutely no way, shape, or form would any technology unlocked by toyota tuners translate to our cars. the ONLY similarity between the 2 is that they changed valve timing... thats it. thats like comparing our cars to the bmw vanos system. it makes no sense to go on and on about who called the damn system a vvt, vvti, or vvtlmnop... who cares. it has nothing to do with our engine, VVEL, or the tuning we have to do to it

gabe3d · 10-29-2012, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by edub370

ya excpet there vvti works NOTHING like our our VVEL... in absolutely no way, shape, or form would any technology unlocked by toyota tuners translate to our cars. the ONLY similarity between the 2 is that they changed valve timing... thats it. thats like comparing our cars to the bmw vanos system. it makes no sense to go on and on about who called the damn system a vvt, vvti, or vvtlmnop... who cares. it has nothing to do with our engine, VVEL, or the tuning we have to do to it

Since you didn't quite comprehend what was previously posted. I'll summarize for you.

Nissan VVEL, BMW Valvetronic and Toyota Valvematic achieve the same in regards to continuous lift control.

Nissan VTC, BMW Vanos and Toyota VVT achieve the same in regards to timing control.

Unless if we have the Einstein of tuning working on our platform it's safe to say that the average tuner's skills is unilaterally equal on all platforms.

O&G's result's are good and are expected since turbo's performance are highly affected by timing change when moving over from an NA setup. The exciting part is when they start changing lift, otherwise the tuning capability will be same as an HR head swap.

Spikuh · 10-29-2012, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O&G

Bit of an update: last week my tuner had a chance to re-tune my car for the colder weather. I was not at the shop when he was messing with it, I believe he worked on it from about 7:30pm to around 12:30am. I got a few funny texts from him that night:
"tried different things with the VVEL"
"I can make this b*tch sound like it has a big *ss cam in it"
"F*ck your car"
"slight exhaust leak before the turbo"
"Turned of the throttle control, makes it feel like it has a throttle cable now"
"I can definitely adjust cam timing, going to call Jared tomorrow and see about adjusting lift"
"Third gear pulls crazy"
"made 24 more wtq @ 2400 rpm"

Johnny cracks me up! I picked the car up Friday and drove it all weekend and took it Import Face Off with no issues at all. The car was a totally new beast, felt more like my old built TT 350Z. I'm about to go take a few GoPro vids via 98intrigues camera and post them up in my journal! I'll be dropping the car back off at the shop Tuesday to do some more testing, fix the exhaust leak and get some more numbers. I'll keep yall posted.

Are you going to be able to get any comparable charts by chance?

O&G · 10-29-2012, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Spikuh

Are you going to be able to get any comparable charts by chance?

Yes, I have access to all my dyno pulls. I need to go to the shop, get on the computer and forward the newer charts to myself. I only have my 6psi charts from last year on this computer. He set the boost controller to 10psi. on these recent pulls, I will post an overlay when we get final numbers, etc..

W.O.W. 370Z · 10-29-2012, 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O&G

Bit of an update: last week my tuner had a chance to re-tune my car for the colder weather. I was not at the shop when he was messing with it, I believe he worked on it from about 7:30pm to around 12:30am. I got a few funny texts from him that night:
"tried different things with the VVEL"
"I can make this b*tch sound like it has a big *ss cam in it"
"F*ck your car"
"slight exhaust leak before the turbo"
"Turned of the throttle control, makes it feel like it has a throttle cable now"
"I can definitely adjust cam timing, going to call Jared tomorrow and see about adjusting lift"
"Third gear pulls crazy"
"made 24 more wtq @ 2400 rpm"

Johnny cracks me up! I picked the car up Friday and drove it all weekend and took it Import Face Off with no issues at all. The car was a totally new beast, felt more like my old built TT 350Z. I'm about to go take a few GoPro vids via 98intrigues camera and post them up in my journal! I'll be dropping the car back off at the shop Tuesday to do some more testing, fix the exhaust leak and get some more numbers. I'll keep yall posted.

I want to get rid of the throttle control! I cannot stand it below 2k.

O&G · 10-29-2012, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by W.O.W. 370Z

I want to get rid of the throttle control! I cannot stand it below 2k.

Yes it was disgusting, so laggy. However, when you do disable it, the sportronic throttle blips are disabled so I'm back to the ol' heel to toe action while downshifting. I don't mind it at all.

W.O.W. 370Z · 10-29-2012, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O&G

Yes it was disgusting, so laggy. However, when you do disable it, the sportronic throttle blips are disabled so I'm back to the ol' heel to toe action while downshifting. I don't mind it at all.

I have 7AT so not sure how it would affect me.

Spikuh · 10-29-2012, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O&G

Yes it was disgusting, so laggy. However, when you do disable it, the sportronic throttle blips are disabled so I'm back to the ol' heel to toe action while downshifting. I don't mind it at all.

That's kind of depressing actually, I love my SynchroRev...

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O&G A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Lone Star State Age: 42 Posts: 1,212 Drives: 40th Anv. Rep Power: 23	Bit of an update: last week my tuner had a chance to re-tune my car for the colder weather. I was not at the shop when he was messing with it, I believe he worked on it from about 7:30pm to around 12:30am. I got a few funny texts from him that night: "tried different things with the VVEL" "I can make this btch sound like it has a big ss cam in it" "F*ck your car" "slight exhaust leak before the turbo" "Turned of the throttle control, makes it feel like it has a throttle cable now" "I can definitely adjust cam timing, going to call Jared tomorrow and see about adjusting lift" "Third gear pulls crazy" "made 24 more wtq @ 2400 rpm" Johnny cracks me up! I picked the car up Friday and drove it all weekend and took it Import Face Off with no issues at all. The car was a totally new beast, felt more like my old built TT 350Z. I'm about to go take a few GoPro vids via 98intrigues camera and post them up in my journal! I'll be dropping the car back off at the shop Tuesday to do some more testing, fix the exhaust leak and get some more numbers. I'll keep yall posted. Boost_lee, sylenze, Legz and 7 others like this. __________________ O&G's Build/Journal <---(1st lowmount single turbo treeseventy) Built Engine Thread 2011 F-250 Build/Journal

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