Hotchkis sway bar question.

Spooler · 07-07-2015, 01:34 PM

Hey, Hey, Keep it to a min. LOL I searched for 2-3 days off and on about sway bars. I read enough bickering.

Hotrodz · 07-07-2015, 02:09 PM

Breakin it down to the bear essentials:
1. More front is better and for performance driving there is no such thing as too much front bar.
2. How much rear bar is dependent on your driving style, suspension and type of driving. As a general rule, too much rear bar can make the Z tail happy.

Good luck with getting this stuff dialed in. It will take some time to get it right, but that is what makes it fun!!!

Spooler · 07-07-2015, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hotrodz

Breakin it down to the bear essentials:
1. More front is better and for performance driving there is no such thing as too much front bar.
2. How much rear bar is dependent on your driving style, suspension and type of driving. As a general rule, too much rear bar can make the Z tail happy.

Good luck with getting this stuff dialed in. It will take some time to get it right, but that is what makes it fun!!!

I hear ya. I want it to be like my 75 280zt. On a banked off ramp it sticks like glue so good that it will actually snap your head to the outside of the turn.

Got a ticket for going 78mph that day at the exit of the off ramp. Oops, those were the crazy days. It was a banked loop.

Zauskycop · 07-07-2015, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hotrodz

Breakin it down to the bear essentials:
1. More front is better and for performance driving there is no such thing as too much front bar.
2. How much rear bar is dependent on your driving style, suspension and type of driving. As a general rule, too much rear bar can make the Z tail happy.

Good luck with getting this stuff dialed in. It will take some time to get it right, but that is what makes it fun!!!

There IS such a thing as too much front bar. Trust me. You DO understand that a sway bar is doing the right thing, but solving it the wrong way...correct?

Tracy Ramsey

Hotrodz · 07-07-2015, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zauskycop

There IS such a thing as too much front bar. Trust me. You DO understand that a sway bar is doing the right thing, but solving it the wrong way...correct?

Tracy Ramsey

Come on now...if you read through all the threads on this forum regarding front sway bar and tracking (road racing) and autoX one thing rings true regardless of other suspension set up and sticky tires and that is you can not buy a front bar that is to stiff. The pros all make their own!!! If you are DD and only drive the car spiritedly, then you don't need to go to extremes that are being pointed out here, but any Z's handling will benefit from more front bar!!! Try it you will like it....

Dwnshift · 07-07-2015, 02:33 PM

We typically run from :softer than a standard rear bar... to a Nismo rear bar... Or in between.
Depends on how much grip the track has.
We have 3 rear bars that we can switch between depending on where we end up.
Normally we run either the lower and middle bar.
Each side has adjustable blades that gives us an adjustable range. If we find we get towards the top of that range..
We can go to the middle sized bar... And and have adjustment down or up.

Front bar.... Its big.... Real freakin big.
More like massive.

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Spooler · 07-07-2015, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dwnshift

We typically run from :softer than a standard rear bar... to a Nismo rear bar... Or in between.
Depends on how much grip the track has.

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Good to know. That gives me a starting point.

Zauskycop · 07-07-2015, 05:19 PM

I have a stiffer front bar and I am perfectly happy with it. I run a Whiteline front on full stiff, and a stock rear bar. I also don't race on race tires with the car, which in itself would desire a stiffer bar. It is all in the application which determines how big of a bar you will need. But if you run a monstrous front bar on the car, then you better be ready to either have tires which can handle it, or be prepared to have a very understeering car.

Rusty · 07-07-2015, 05:29 PM

I haven't heard of 2 different versions of the bar. Maybe someone else has.

onzedge · 07-07-2015, 05:40 PM

Dwnshift · 07-07-2015, 05:45 PM

Its all about power down

We have no push.

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Hotrodz · 07-07-2015, 05:55 PM

That is the deal for those of us that are boosted. More bar is necessary at over 500whp and torque!

Great job WG buy the way, to bad it rained!

Spooler · 07-07-2015, 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hotrodz

That is the deal for those of us that are boosted. More bar is necessary at over 500whp and torque!

Great job WG buy the way, to bad it rained!

The car needs more sway-bar period. It has a good amount of body lean If you stick it in a corner hard. Even the Nismo version like we both have. The trick is, how much do we need. The comments on this thread give me a heck of a good starting point.

Thanks for all the useful comments guys.

onzedge · 12-19-2015, 04:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spooler

The car needs more sway-bar period. It has a good amount of body lean If you stick it in a corner hard. Even the Nismo version like we both have. The trick is, how much do we need. The comments on this thread give me a heck of a good starting point.

Thanks for all the useful comments guys.

Brendan · 07-07-2015, 06:06 PM

What is the front sway doing in the case of the Z that makes it so beneficial? I was always under the impression that a stiffer front sway would induce understeer. I am asking specifically in the context of autocross which is my chosen performance diving venue.

07-07-2015, 01:34 PM	#1 (permalink)
Spooler A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ga Posts: 14,164 Drives: 2013 Nismo 370z Rep Power: 2684394	Hey, Hey, Keep it to a min. LOL I searched for 2-3 days off and on about sway bars. I read enough bickering. Brendan likes this.

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Hotrodz A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: NW, AZ Posts: 9,330 Drives: 10 Nissan 370z Nismo Rep Power: 2684386	Breakin it down to the bear essentials: 1. More front is better and for performance driving there is no such thing as too much front bar. 2. How much rear bar is dependent on your driving style, suspension and type of driving. As a general rule, too much rear bar can make the Z tail happy. Good luck with getting this stuff dialed in. It will take some time to get it right, but that is what makes it fun!!! onzedge and synolimit like this. __________________ *Fast Intentions TT Installed and Tuned by Seb at SpecialtyZ 610whp 560tq:\|Fast Intentions 3" TT-TDX*\|SpecialtyZ/Fast Intentions 72 Row Oil Cooler\|SZ 6 Puck Clutch & Flywheel\|3GsCustoms\|Z1\|Wavetrac\|Hotchkis\|Whiteline \|Blitz\|Fortune Auto 500\|Fujimura\|SPL\|H&R\|TK\|TWM\|RPM Rollbar\|Sparco\|Next Level Performance\|TrackSpec\|AeroFlow Dynamics\|Pioneer\|

07-07-2015, 02:33 PM	#6 (permalink)
Dwnshift Track Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Cincy Posts: 717 Drives: NISMO 370Z RC Rep Power: 16	Hotchkis sway bar question. We typically run from :softer than a standard rear bar... to a Nismo rear bar... Or in between. Depends on how much grip the track has. We have 3 rear bars that we can switch between depending on where we end up. Normally we run either the lower and middle bar. Each side has adjustable blades that gives us an adjustable range. If we find we get towards the top of that range.. We can go to the middle sized bar... And and have adjustment down or up. Front bar.... Its big.... Real freakin big. More like massive. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk onzedge likes this. Last edited by Dwnshift; 07-07-2015 at 02:42 PM.

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07-07-2015, 05:19 PM	#8 (permalink)
Zauskycop Base Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Hinckley IL Posts: 228 Drives: 2012 370Z, '16 Miata Rep Power: 16	I have a stiffer front bar and I am perfectly happy with it. I run a Whiteline front on full stiff, and a stock rear bar. I also don't race on race tires with the car, which in itself would desire a stiffer bar. It is all in the application which determines how big of a bar you will need. But if you run a monstrous front bar on the car, then you better be ready to either have tires which can handle it, or be prepared to have a very understeering car.

07-07-2015, 05:45 PM	#11 (permalink)
Dwnshift Track Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Cincy Posts: 717 Drives: NISMO 370Z RC Rep Power: 16	Its all about power down We have no push. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Hotrodz likes this.

07-07-2015, 05:55 PM	#12 (permalink)
Hotrodz A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: NW, AZ Posts: 9,330 Drives: 10 Nissan 370z Nismo Rep Power: 2684386	That is the deal for those of us that are boosted. More bar is necessary at over 500whp and torque! Great job WG buy the way, to bad it rained! __________________ *Fast Intentions TT Installed and Tuned by Seb at SpecialtyZ 610whp 560tq:\|Fast Intentions 3" TT-TDX*\|SpecialtyZ/Fast Intentions 72 Row Oil Cooler\|SZ 6 Puck Clutch & Flywheel\|3GsCustoms\|Z1\|Wavetrac\|Hotchkis\|Whiteline \|Blitz\|Fortune Auto 500\|Fujimura\|SPL\|H&R\|TK\|TWM\|RPM Rollbar\|Sparco\|Next Level Performance\|TrackSpec\|AeroFlow Dynamics\|Pioneer\|

07-07-2015, 06:06 PM	#15 (permalink)
Brendan Track Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Colorado Posts: 646 Drives: Poor man's Porsche Rep Power: 544	What is the front sway doing in the case of the Z that makes it so beneficial? I was always under the impression that a stiffer front sway would induce understeer. I am asking specifically in the context of autocross which is my chosen performance diving venue.

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