I am always up for it,when it comes time to blame Verstappen.:icon23:

He had 61 laps and a track that was going to dry out to fight back to get P1 back from Max. He was not going to be under real threat in my opinion. Not the first time at all he misjudged badly something like this. Vettel is fast but his race craft is not comparable to others including Ricci and Alonso.

but on the other hand, vettel's move is nothing new in racing.

i believe everyone will agree hamilton has done it for tons of time to rosberg in the pass 2-3 years.

I am not a fan of either vettel and verstappen.

if you look at the video again, there's still quite some gap between vettel and verstappen when he ran into raikkonen.

Nice review and analysis here of Singapore - Sebastian Vettel misjudgements put Lewis Hamilton on F1 title track | F1 News

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/13...ash-on-himself

Villeneuve: Vettel brought Singapore GP crash on himself

Nice preview of this weekend's race in Malaysia!!

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/13...d-prix-preview

Another good link from Autosport as we approach the final races - https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/13...f1-title-runin

Open question to all.

Has anyone lodged any complaints to liberty media or F1 alone on updates and changes you'd like to see?

One i'd like is the introduction of mandated helmet cams. Indy car and some other series are already running helmet cams on several drivers, but not mandated.

This visual aspect would be beneficial on both the social media side as well as safety side.

Sepang race weekend. This link is working if you want actual good coverage from SKY F1 - and Practice 3 is about to start!

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top 3 on the grid filled with the top 3 cars, with one gutsy verstappen starting at 3rd place, and the squeezing right-left at the end of the straightaway.

the start's gonna be a...... do or die.

:stirthepot::stirthepot:

Well deserved win for 33 charging hard early knowing he has nothing to loose and smart of Hamilton to take a conservative approach in a car that isn't at its best and with Vettel all the way in the back. Vettel's drive was amazing.

I am surprised quite a bit by the huge margin of how much mercedes is behind red bull.

especially on the high speed straightaway.

not a fan of verstappen but his drive is brilliant, 3 laps down the race and there's only hamilton and him 2 miles away from the batch already.

he must have taken a very very good exit on the last hairpin thus build up the straight line speed on the grandstand, since it's a known fact that renault engine has the least power among the three.

And what a race for vandoorne!! great race.

It's called "sandbagging". Mercedes are so full of it. They know that their cars are much faster than everyone else so they throw a race or two to give the whole spectacle an appearance of fairness.

I really hope something is done to change this in 2018. Or we'll be stuck with Formula E..........I think I threw up in my mouth a little. :yawn:

ugh.... I could understand when they do that in pre-season or FP1,2 and 3.

but throw in a race or two....

I don't think they will do it until they've at least claimed the CC.

I agree, there is to much at stake for brand recognition. There is no way Mercedes wants Ferrari to be close to them.

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Attitude and aggravation could cost Sebastian Vettel the F1 world title | F1 News

Review of the race and a not great review of Vettel and his 'issues' so far!

I don't know... this season martin brundle has shown quite a bit of dislike on vettel...

i used to like him as a commentator... but he is a bit too much bias into non-vettel this season...

Martin is fairly objective compared to others and is not blinded by LH love. Vettel has made some very stupid moves last year and this. Im no fan of LH overall but the best former WDC on the grid in terms of pace and discipline and good headwork is not Vettel by any means.

Prac 1 and 2 summary here in Japan! Race weekend! :)

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to be honest, I am not a fan of neither one of both, since their Red-Bull and McLaren days.

Both won their championships when they have the best cars on the grid thus basically it's a 2 cars competition.

vettel is a big whiner and hamilton is a selfish eh-hole.

obviously vettel has done some stupid moves this season, and he deserves to receive blames.

Speed wise, I think they are both about the same... can't really judge them since they won their DC with the best cars at that time.

Put them in a Sauber, then we can see whose a faster driver.

Japanese GP: Ferrari 'running out of steam' in 2017 after another engine failure for Sebastian Vettel | F1 News

Sums up Japan a bit!! :)

When has this not been the case? lol

I love when people make this useless argument about putting the winning drivers in the worst cars. The top drivers already proved their potential by being the fastest in the lower series.

Vettel and Hamilton have already faced each other on equal terms back in F3 years ago. Guess who won.....
Alonso and Hamilton already raced each other in equal cars back in 2007...Guess who won.

Hamilton is beating Bottas now with equal cars. At the beginning of the year everyone was making remarks that Bottas would wipe the floor with Hamilton... yet he is struggling to even beat the Ferrari of Vettel.

So really, how valid is this silly argument about saying it's all the car and not the driver.

Couldn't agree more. Most all of the Driver Champions have had the best car. I'm by no means a Hamilton fan, but at the moment it is clear he is the best.
If Vettel had his his idol Schumacher's temperment, he might be. If things don't go his way he just whines and seems to take his mind off the prize.

Race weekend wrap up - Martin Brundle: Lewis Hamilton looking invincible as the pressure takes toll at Ferrari | F1 News

Formula-1 2017...!!
 

You really believe that?

They do not have equal cars and neither do Vettel and Raikkonen. F1 teams do whatever they can get away with to make their top driver win. It's part of the game.

:wtf2:

Right. so Bottas is using a 2015 engine an non efficient aero packaging just so Lewis can be the top driver. yet he got 2 wins and a pole this year...

And Raikkonen some how is using parts made for Sauber so he can't beat Vettel. :ugh2:

It's called Tuning! Same engines, different settings. Same goes for chassis/suspension/aero setup. I would love to see Hamilton switch cars with Bottas during a race............LOL. :driving:

So how is that a different car? Each driver is open to tuning the car how they see fit. The teams do not have to automatically put the same tuning parameters on both cars just because one is faster. The parts for both cars are the same unless stated otherwise, and we can visually see chassis differences and more times than not almost all team cars are identical outside of the adjustable parts such as winglets and alignment.

Just like in Malaysia where both Mercedes cars came with new aero packages. Hamilton decided to revert back to the old one, because HE did not like the upgrade. are you saying Mercedes restricted Bottas from doing the same? absolutely not. Hamilton decided to make his changes during practice, where Bottas did not. under Parc Ferme for qualifying, you are restricted on changes or it will result in a penalty.

There are of course times teams will put more effort in extracting a better setup for one car over the other, but each driver has there own team of mechanics. It's there job to get the most out of the car. You saying the cars are not equal because of this is a joke. :icon14:.

Actually, there's no need to differ the two cars, because there's....

Then there is that. That was a pretty straight forward team order, he needed to pit anyways and Hamilton and Verstappen were faster. There was no battle to be had there. Bottas slowing down Verstappen made way more sense.

Formula-1 2017...!!
 

That’s the point I was trying to make! How are cars with different setups and engine settings the "same"?

Yes I know the cars are physically the same. But the tuning and setup are not and not just because of driver preference. For example, a team may setup one car to be faster and the other slower but more reliable. Another example, they may build one engine to consume a little bit more oil than the other thus making it slightly faster. The two engines are technically the same but they do not perform the same. It’s all F1 team strategy. It's also what's wrong with F1. Good for the teams, bad for the drivers and spectators.

I'll bet if Mercedes had decided at the beginning of the season that Bottas was their man, he would be leading in points right now, not Hamilton.


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You are reaching deep trying to say the cars are "different". The cars are the same, tuning parameters do not classify them as different cars. At the end of the day, both cars have the ability of producing very similar results, it wil never be 100% identical, but the fact is they posses the same baseline configuration. Oppose to the Ferrari and Mercedes chassis, which are unquestionably different.

You can go down to any dealership and buy 2 INDENTICAL cars and tune them differently to produce more or less power or handle differently, doesn't make them any less the same chassis. Me changing my alignment doesn't make the car any less the same as yours if we have the same car.

If there is so much wrong with the sport then why are you even arguing on its behalf? People complain about the engines, complain about the looks, complain about the drivers, complain about the teams. Yet these 2017 cars are unquestionably the fastest most technologically advanced in F1 history, and ratings wise, the most watched season in history.

:rolleyes:

That alignment on the same chassis will be the difference between winning and losing in a lot of races...

100% agree, but it doesn't make it a different car.

In the case of F1, all the teams are locked into a much more restricted formula than we ever would be with road cars. So there has to be some way of getting an advantage over your team mate and rivals.
At least with road cars, we have the option of making several changes to the base car. Tires, tire sizes, suspension, etc. Both Mercedes W08's use the same parts throughout.

Let’s agree to disagree on this one. Enjoy the ride.......cheers.


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Semantics. No one is arguing that the difference between the two Mercedes F1 cars is like the difference between a Ford Focus and a Honda Civic.

The point is that the cars on track are not equal. Therefore, the same driver in a different car may produce different end results. There are lots of variables here, of course, that determine how much difference there is. And it will pretty much always be a "what if" scenario. But those variables are what give some validity to the discussion/question of "how would driver X fare in driver Y's car?". Cars on the same team are going to be closer in that regard, but I still wonder if Lewis or Seb could race the same in their respective teammate's car for a weekend. Not sure that's a question that can actually be answered though.

This is what happened to Hamilton last year and nobody said anything because a lot of people like to hate on those that win all the time. Essentially Hamilton's pit team including his engineers were given to Nikko and he still would have beat him if not for engine reliability and bad decision making by Totto and company. Mercedes wanted a German to be a champion and they gave it to Nikko. Such ate the politics in sports entertainment!

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LH didnt race to win and changed his routine this year. He didnt walk the track at Baku and in short terms, Rosberg beat him by driving smarter and working harder. When LH had bad luck with a motor he suffered for not working hard and driving smarter to make his luck/situation better. There was no conspiracy at all behind Nico's win. It came together for him like its coming together for LH this year with a little help from Ferrari and unreliability. Thats it. Period.

Lol, if Rosberg is so much better why did he quit after winning the championship? Makes no sense as every other champion wants to defend their championship or win a second one to prove that it was not fluke. Rosberg knew he was not number 1 and took his ball and went home! He won the championship but he is and never will be the driver Hamilton, Vettel, or Alonzo are period!

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I can't say it's the majority but as far as I read from most the "comments area" from many F1 websites, a lot of fans are asking to bring back the NA V10 or even V12.

Pretty sure they will not bring back the NA, but do you guys feel the current PU is too costly and too complicated ?