I like the old F1 logo much much much more than the new one

I am trying very hard to get used to it!! :)

I try to not looking at it... cos I might :barf:

New logo is so basic. I know a lot of kids at CalArts here in Valencia, CA or those from California College of the Arts in San Fran could have done a better job.

Anyone thinks that Hamilton would be getting a Ferrari seat in the future at F1.

I think he should. He is a very good driver and very technical can surely help Ferrari.
Though he lacks the karisms of Michael or Senna.

I don't think he will or want to. I don't think he would want to follow their rules. He likes having the freedom.

He wants to keep winning and Mercedes has the better car, I don't see why he would want to go to Ferrari.


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Ferrari would find its way in getting him. They own F1

Liberty might have something to say about that these days. I don't think they are interested in coddling Ferrari like in the past.

Jar in this world we live in now. Money still speaks a million words.
Not pessimistic but Im more realistic. It will come.

Do you think F1 will survive without Ferrari?
Yes it will... but it would be another race series. I think.

But on the other flip side of a coin...people change, the only constant in this world is CHANGE!

Who would think cars would be running electric and H2O 20 years ago?
Better yet autonomous cars.

I hate living those days. Im happy with NA and manual cars.

I never thought Michael Shumacher would ever drive a Mercedes F1.

But time did for him. I assume he did it for Ross Braun or something else.
Again people change. Nothing is permanent.

I don't think F1 needs Ferrari. I think Ferrari brings a lot (of fans) to the equation. But Liberty has figured out that other teams can bring a lot to the table as well. Ferrari is too old school maybe?

He drove for Mercedes before even entering F1.

Probably your right Jar. I agree the new young drivers and new motor sport team such as Aston Martin made it exciting but when it happens I would stick with the IMSA race series and WEC.

F1 is freaking expensive tickets anyway. Lol

Plus he's German. There are several reasons why he'd drive for Mercedes.

I know he even drove Benetton before he was 7 time Word Champion isnt it?:tup:

Ok so Hamilton deserves to be with McLaren because his British? ;)

Well he did drive for Mclaren....Just as Jenson did...Just as Coulthard did.

There is a fair bit of nationalism that comes along with Formula 1, and in sports in general.

You finding it surprising Schumacher would drive for Mercedes was my reasoning for stating the "obvious". Blissfully undermining the fact he already had a history with Mercedes, the mark being a key proponent behind him even racing in F1.

Ferrari being the most nationalistic of them all. Favoring and supporting Italian drivers whenever they possibly can. Even considering the use of Rossi at some point in time (although just highly speculated rumors) over several veteran and skilled F1 drivers for the sake of having an Italian driver in a Italian car. The majority of their staff and engineers being Italian even in the face of several others countries wanting to be apart of the team. James Allison even hinted at the problems behind Ferrari's nationalistic tyranny.

He also won his first championship in a Benetton....:tiphat:

Agreed. However Ferrari's consistency in the sport is a major reason their status has grown to the level it's at. To be honest, there is nothing special about the brands technical feats in racing. Factory teams of lesser statuses have always came around to pick on them and beat them. But the consistency behind them staying around is one thing no other brand or company in history has the privilege of matching, and will never match. This alone is worth its praise alone. Its hard to root for a team when they are not consistently around, let alone competitive, and Ferrari is the only company that can claim they have been both over decades in the industry.

The majority of their victories has been against privateer teams and even then, they've been beaten by these teams over the years. Several times over whenever other factory teams stepped up to race they could barely keep there dominance alive. Just as Mercedes are doing now. BMW in their short recent stent with Williams gave them a hard run for their money and Mclaren Mercedes even showed them up a couple times even with rookie drivers.

[QUOTE=MaysEffect;3715462]Well he did drive for Mclaren....Just as Jenson did...Just as Coulthard did.

There is a fair bit of nationalism that comes along with Formula 1, and in sports in general.

You finding it surprising Schumacher would drive for Mercedes was my reasoning for stating the "obvious". Blissfully undermining the fact he already had a history with Mercedes, the mark being a key proponent behind him even racing in F1.

Yes I Was surprised when he did come back after having 6 titles from Ferrari then drive for Mercedes instead of Ferrari. What Im saying this drivers have a job to do and no brand loyalty nor by it ethnic backgrounds. That is why I said I wont be surprised if Hamilton would drive for Ferrari in the future.

Ferrari being the most nationalistic of them all. Favoring and supporting Italian drivers whenever they possibly can. Even considering the use of Rossi at some point in time (although just highly speculated rumors) over several veteran and skilled F1 drivers for the sake of having an Italian driver in a Italian car. The majority of their staff and engineers being Italian even in the face of several others countries wanting to be apart of the team. James Allison even hinted at the problems behind Ferrari's nationalistic tyranny.


Agreed but why Ferrari did not setforth in giving the seat to an Italian driver? Because they need to have the higher percentage of winning right?

Again the same argument one way or another they will get Hamilton if Sebastian
would not give what the Italians wanted.

The drivers has a job to perform and they will drive with the team with deepest financial chest, aerodynamic technology and the car that will bring them the chance of getting the drivers championship.

Besides Ferrari makes more money than selling cars through their merchandise, sponsorship and TV right exposure. Win or loose they make money with F1. Winning the Championship just makes it more special.

2017 would have Ferrari winning the title if not only the Singaporian incident happend and Ferrari having technical issues at the later part of the season.

please fix the quoting.

Yet they still handedly lost the constructors regardless. For years now, people have going on about this "would've, could've, should've" stuff with Ferrari. Just like Hamilton fans and Hamilton did last year by losing out to Rosberg. We can argue this till our faces turn colors about what if's, but Hamilton beat Vettel outright in most situations this year, just as Mercedes beat Ferrari outright in terms of reliability and strategies. You need to finish the race to win. Vettel has cost himself hardship more than the team has.

Ethnicity and nationalism is a huge portion to where people decide to associate themselves with, Schumacher was rightfully retired and on top of all notable statistics. He didn't come back to beat the competition, he came back to rebuild Mercedes as a racing brand, he's even stated this himself several times as did Brawn.

Speaking of brand loyalty. Hamilton would be a posture child for brand loyalty. He's been wearing the Mercedes mark his entire sponsored racing career. There isn't another driver in the world who has been more loyal to a brand. Him going to Ferrari would be a turn of the century. THAT would be the most surprising thing of all. Certainly considering Ferrari representatives have been adamant about not wanting anything to do with Hamilton. So how you are surprised about Schumacher going to Mercedes, but not Hamilton going to Ferrari is beyond me.

We can agree to disagree. This isn't even a fruitful debate lol.

Yes it is not! Lol

Now cheers :tup: before Hamilton turns into white.

SKY offer this for the next season - Questions for Formula 1 2018 | F1 News

Who is facing a make-or-break 2018 F1 season? -- Who is facing a make-or-break 2018 F1 season?

Yeah, what they said!

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* Will Ferrari quit Formula 1?

* After dropping Honda for Renault, will McLaren finally return to the front of the grid?

* And will they beat Red Bull on equal power?

* Will 2018 be the year of Verstappen v Hamilton?

* Will Ferrari and Mercedes remain brothers in arms off the track?

* Will the teams, and the sport, last the pace of five grands prix in six weeks?

* Will Renault confirm they will stop supplying Red Bull at the end of 2018?

* And if they do, who will become Red Bull's next engine providers?

* Will Daniel Ricciardo sign a new contract with Red Bull?

* And if he doesn't, where will he sign for 2019?

* Will a team other than Ferrari, Mercedes or Red Bull win a race for the first time in five years?

* How many of Pirelli's nine different tyre types will actually be used?

* Will Force India remain the best of the rest or will the big guns behind them in 2017 finally stop firing blanks?

* Will Toro Rosso-Honda prop up the grid?

* Will Lewis Hamilton or Sebastian Vettel claim a fifth title?

* Will Renault convert off-track progress into on-track gains?

* And will they catch up to Mercedes and Ferrari's engine performance?

* Will the hints Aston Martin could join F1 become an actual commitment?

* Will Mercedes' dominance be stopped?

* How many racing series will Fernando Alonso compete in?

* Will Kimi Raikkonen earn another contract extension at Ferrari?

* Will the sun finally shine all weekend at Silverstone?

* How many people will simultaneously watch the French GP and England v Panama on June 24?

* How many times will the phrase 'logistically challenging' be used in the build-up to F1 first-ever triple header?

* Which celebrity will blank Mr Brundle during Martin's Gridwalk?

* Will Baku deliver a repeat worthy of the description?

* Will Daniel Ricciardo close the qualifying gap to Max Verstappen at Red Bull?

* Will Valtteri Bottas start 2018 where he left off in 2017?

* How long will Lewis Hamilton's new deal with Mercedes be?

* Will the Mercedes W09 be another diva?

* How much difference will Alfa Romeo make to Sauber?

* Will Marcus Ericsson score his first points in F1 since the 2015 Italian GP?

* Will Silverstone's future in F1 be resolved?

* Will Liberty Media sign up its first 'destination city'?

* Will Charles Leclerc justify the hype?

* Will Esteban Ocon emerge as Mercedes' heir apparent?

* How soon will the teams agree on F1's 2021 rules?

* Which young Brit will land a 2019 race seat first?

* Will any team stay inside 2018's three-engine limit?

* And how soon before somebody says 'we said that wouldn't work'?

* Will Michael Buffer return in Austin?

* Can we please have some good news about Michael?


Kimi: mooah...... i don't know.

Bwooah not mooah lol

Bwooah..... :icon18: