Bottas and Max + Ricci are the new wave.

Vettel and LH can leave together and wont be missed by me. They deserve each other. Petulent whining and beyond ego maxed out. Bottas and the rest seem to simply enjoy themselves serious but not ridiculous. Max has his moments but is an amazing talent. Fun season for sure!

everyone is a gentleman until they're on the title fight, then all of them become the ugliest.

look at the mercedes duo rosberg & hamilton, during the years when red bull were dominating, they would cheering for each other when one got a pole or a rarely win, they drove as a team and put the team up front... until couple years ago when they start winning and actually fight for the title, then not even a high five.


the good thing about this year is the top 6 spots are mixing up with 6 different drivers from the 3 teams.


so far so nice... best wishes to alonso. :icon17:

F1 is becoming like WWF and other sports...it's moving from real racing to entertainment. Hence the term sports entertainment is used now for all major sports in the US. Racing for racing sake is vanishing from major sportscar racing. The focus is entertainment and so the in fighting and the support characters all play into the mix to keep us entertained and keep the sport relevant...the result of not doing so is Indy Car. You can pretty much just show up at an Indy Car race and get a ticket. Heck the last Indy Car race I went to was the last race at AAA Auto Club and it was a phenomenal race...any I was standing in line to buy tickets and a guy walked up and ask me if I wanted a ticket? I was like how much and he said free. That will never happen at a F1 race!

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Race Day UK!! :) GO Bottas!

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Yawn.... another boring Lewis Hamilton win. Exciting! Like watching paint dry. I wonder how good he'd be in a Honda.


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Hungary Race Day :)

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I really have no idea, no frigging idea on how come people cries about that 3 points or whatever for hamilton....

What hamilton done on the last lap was being magnified so big, and it's just ridiculously too big.

What is that about "he's such sportsmanship because he gave his place back..."

At the first place, it was Bottas who gave his place to hamilton.

Who is being the "Sportsman" in the race? Who gave up his position at first? it was Bottas

On the other hand, before the Hungarian GP, Bottas was about 30 points(?) behind hamilton, mathematically, Bottas can still win enough points to take the DC, thus he actually has the right to keep his 3rd, or simply defend hamilton from passing him.

However, with 8 races to go, mercedes, who told the public they will give fair play to both driver, is already asking bottas to give up his position to hamilton, thus they are slapping their own mouth.

Moreover, who can guarantee hamilton can make a fair pass on Bottas and finish 3rd? Nobody, thus saying hamilton lost 3 points because of his sportsmanship is, I say, completely rubbish.

If he has the sportsmanship, he can rather pass bottas with a legit move than to ask bottas to give the place.

hamilton = sportsmanship?

nope. simple as that.

mercedes = fair play?

nope. simple as that.

If Red Bull does not keep up with the other two, Verstappen will be driving for Ferrari in '19. Kimi will be driving for Ferrari until then. Another game changer is if F1 opens it up to other manufacturers for the power unit. I would love to see Porsche, Aston, even Ford in F1.

I doubt if Vettel will let Ferrari have Verstappen though....

The thing is if Verstappen switch to another team, he probably will have at least equal support if he couldn't be the 1st driver..

And that won't be happening if Vettel is still in Ferrari.

I hope renault can catch up with mercedes and ferrari, so does honda/mclaren.

That will make the whole F1 much more exciting.

I get it. Can't have both drivers with Ferrari. Let's face it, Verstappen is the future of F1 and Ferrari always looks at the future.

On another note, the Williams crew did it again.
Williams crew set the best pitstop time in Hungary | GRAND PRIX 247

Speaking of the future...

The FIA unveils the 2018 Formula 2 car with F1 halo.

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lots of battle in the midfield.

:iagree: Yup, lots of good racing by the up and coming youngsters.

Damn! Another boring Lewis Hamilton win. He just did laps way ahead of the pack. Nothing to do with his driving abilities and all to do about the car. I'm tired of these types of F1 races. Like watching paint dry. I don't care what goes on midfield. I care about who's winning. I really thought it was going to be different in '17 season. I was wrong. The new F1 owners need to do something to fix this next season or I'm done!


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Every time they mention Hamilton's pole records in recent weeks, I just think about the last two years where he had 25+ essentially uncontested pole positions :shakes head:

ok, this is an interesting article

Ferrari F1 team inks new long-term Marlboro agreement | Autoweek

Cigarette advertising in racing still there

the only way to fix it is shuffle the drivers and cars..

put all the top 8 drivers in the slowest car like Sauber, Haas, Renault...

but of cause, it'll never happen in reality....


or... there's no works team.

surely nothing will change if there's no dramatic change to the whole system, works teams or big budget teams has the funds thus has the best drivers and resources.

works teams also has first-hand information/data on the engine and design, more importantly, fundings.

look at indy cars, there's no works team. customers teams buy chassis and engine.

simple design therefore you see a very evenly spread out competition.

What's the point, if they can't show the logo?

They don't have to the color scheme is enough of a brand for people to know.

I guess so.

it's going to be a real test for the design team at McLaren if this is real...

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/13...da-for-renault

Should be an interesting race this weekend. Mercedes not at all fave's on this track. Id like to see Red Bull do well here too!

Singapore GP talking points | F1 News

We wont have testing until Jan so they have some time to sort it. Im thinking they have been working this issue.

Al this was written by Gary Anderson a former F1 mech and respected engineer earlier this season when Mercedes and Mclaren were in touch about engine supply -Via Autosport
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How easy would it be for McLaren to adapt its car for a Mercedes engine, given the similarities with the Honda engine?
Guus van Lienen, via email

It's a lot easier to change the power unit package today than it was a few years ago. One of the more useful things the FIA has done over the past few years is to define the length of the engine bay and the engine-to-chassis and engine-to-gearbox pick-up-point locations.

This means that the overall geometry of the cars can be fairly similar. It's the detail of the intrusions into the chassis and gearbox for the oil tank, hydraulics, turbo, etc, as well as the cooling system's requirements, that will be the time-consuming design process.

Performance doesn't just come by doing something like fitting a Mercedes engine, it comes from sorting the detail out better than the other teams using the same componentry.

When you have teams like Mercedes itself, Force India and Williams using the same power unit since 2014, they will have gone through all the permutations on the installation and have ended up where they are currently.

To get to this level and also be in a position to maximise the use of a very different power unit at the circuit will not be easy or immediate - even with the experience of running the engine in 2014.

If McLaren makes this shift then it will still take time for it to get up to speed. Mercedes will probably help (but not that much), but remember the two are in competition and the last thing Mercedes needs to do is jeopardise its own championship-winning potential.

ahhh..... I think my post is too short... I didn't state exactly what I mean...


what I mean "it's going to be a real test to the design team at McLaren"....


next year they are going to use the same engine as Red Bull, and it's already stated they will have engine parity as RB and Renault.

Thus it's going to be a real test to McLaren next season to have a very good chassis, at least as good as Red Bull if not better.

Since the 2015 season, McLaren has always been hindered by the Honda engine thus even the team says it is affecting the development of the chassis since the lacking of horsepower.

Although this season has shown McLaren is doing well at some low-speed circuits, it is still an unknown how will the chassis response to an engine that gives out full power.


Expectation on McLaren is always high, very high, thus the pressure is going to be heavy on the 2018 season since they are having a "normal" engine.

Their face will be torn if they cannot finish higher than Red Bull.

Wet night race, first time ever!!!

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Crazy event was it not?? Wow......

what a sparkling start... :ugh2:

I think... Vettel did initial the chain-reaction....

really feel bad for raikkonen and alonso....

I was so pissed off. I debated not watching the rest of the race.

Vettel caused it, but not intentionally IMO. There is no way he could see Raikkonen coming up on the other side. Nor could he fathom that Raikkonen could have such a good start.

Tight track so the Ferrari strategy was to pin the Red Bull 33 going into T1 and lock 1/2. It backfired taking all three out. I turned it off by lap 6. It was bad.

regardless whose fault...

if you were in verstappen's position, will you lift thus avoiding the squeeze?

of cos you don't want to lose the position but you know things gonna go bad if you don't lift.

i would have lifted then fight back.




yes, it's true vettel was moving towards verstappen..

but, verstappen's also moved towards raikkonen....

in fact, he squeezed into raikkonen's right-rear first, at that moment, there's still quite a bit of room between himself and vettel..

it was rough. despite what's showing we see it differently. no one's going to give up that corner 'cause that's the winning corner with such a tight track. Kimi's launch was terrific but both reds converged to pin down #33. bottom line it was an ugly race. a good chunk of the field retired.

I knew it was going to be another boring Hamilton victory parade race after what happened. Turned it off after about 30 minutes. The whole series has become a joke.

Couldn't agree more. Street races suck....even Monaco. Can't pass and tons of Safety cars. The same reason I can't watch Indycar. In F1 they only exist because of all the money the promoters and governments were willing to pay Bernie. Maybe that will change with his departure. Also the cars sound like crap. I want that 18K scream back. If it was up to me they would run a spec engine. A naturally aspirated Ferrari V-12.

:iagree: I'm not sure it would have made a difference. By Vettel's own admission he did not get a good start so he made the move to keep Max behind him. It was a risky move even if the track was dry but not so smart on wet surface with cold tire. Vettel doesn't deserve to win his judgement and track behavior this year is not worthy of champion.

+1 he is by far the least level headed multi WDC winner. LH is eating his lunch and Ferrari have a well balanced car and because of Baku and this, they are now faves to lose both titles to Mercedes. No loss. Vettel is a brat who ran from Ricci at Red Bull when Ricci trounced him after his last title. Vettel is severely over rated in my opinion. Im no LH fan but this year Vettel is still fkn it up in a better car.

suddenly, I have this picture pops up in my mind....


it's been saying Vettel didn't see Raikkonen, whose already side by side with Verstappen..

what IF... Verstappen back off...

and Vettel keeps moving to the left... til he has Raikkonen.... :icon18::icon18:

The trajectory shows there is a very good chance they collide if Max brakes out and slows quickly. Vettel was entirely focused on Max and not the corner. Fool!!

vettel is just too desperate.