Well for all intents and purposes................another F1 season comes to an end. I really thought we had an actual race at the beginning but once Vettel was passed by Hamilton, it became obvious rather quickly how much faster his car is. The race was over after that. BORING!!! Let's hope something changes for next season to bring back some semblance of excitement to the sport.

vettel was able to pull an almost 2s lead after couple laps and all of a sudden hamilton caught up on him and passed him...

I thought vettel was trying to save tires thus 1-stop vs hamilton 2 stop...

eventually it was because hamilton was just too quick, and he was on 1-stop...

Martin Brundle: F1 must define its own limits before it goes off track | F1 News

Nice review of the race....

Can any one say Mila Salo the Finnish steward from Ferrari? F'n Finn watching over another. Let 'em play let 'em drive. WTF. Rules are rules alright but apply the sh!t consistently. F1 needs a steward's steward.

Are you denying the fact Max actually cut the corner to make the pass?

NO! The fact that many others did it without penalty is the issue. F1 has been plagued with inconsistencies. From Senna to Schumacher to now.

No one else cut a corner this race to make a pass.

Yes people have gone off track, but usually they were done in corners with some exclusions. Turn 19 for instance is a double berm corner with no yellow bumps or work around cones. Going off there is not a major problem by yourself. Going off line to make a pass, is a completely different argument.

There was nothing inconsistent or out of line about this situation. I think the only problem (if you can call it that), is it stripped Max from an amazing race finish which we believe he deserved. That isn't justification for making and exception to a clear illegal pass. Had it been at Monaco, he would have never been able to get the pass like that.

I thought it was a clean and brilliant move while watching it live...

then I watched the video, the one I posted...

obviously the steward(s) has upset many many people and fans..

however, verstappen did cut the corner, and not by couple inches, but his whole car was inside the white line, not by and inch, but a marginal measure.

many people argue he's not the only one who exceed the track limit and it's not fair cos he's the only one who got penalized, however, in fact, he's the only one who cut through the corner and gain a position.

the thing is, we have to look at it in a reverse angle:

IF, verstappen keep his car within the track limit, ie with a tad of his car still outside the white line, even it's 1%, can he pass raikkonen?

he won't be able to pass cos there's wasn't enough room, otherwise he won't needed to go over the island to complete the pass.

thus the penalty.

it's a piss-off, but it is valid.

:iagree: I agree with your assessment of this situation as I believe the officials got it right. I feel for Max as his drive was the drive of the day for sure. I also am in agreement with axmea? that the official inconsistent in their issuance of penalties. It is always hit or miss on what they will enforce and to what degree.

the inconsistent... I think... they also have to evaluate what did the driver gain from that move.

if the driver didn't gain anything, thus they don't give out any penalty.

I get that but all we have do is look at the penalty they gave Vettel for intentionally running into Hamilton that should have been significant enough to keep him out of the points if not a dq. He only got five more seconds than Max and his actions were deplorable no matter how you slice it or spit hairs.

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The reason because it's a Ferrari. F1 is highly political sport dictated by powerful car manufacturers. Let say it was Daniel Kyvat did than on Hamilton, instantly he would possibly get the DQ or ban.

My point exactly...it depends!

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It was deplorable, but it was either a black flag or marginally punishable. Considering he wasn't going to get black flagged (he didn't cause any real damage or put someone's life in danger), giving a 10 second stop n' go was actually a worthy punishment. Only shame there was Mercedes also made a boneheaded mistake with Hamilton's car thus costing him the win.

http://autoweek.com/article/formula-...was-table-baku

The two instances and penalties are nothing alike. Had max had 5-10 more laps, it's arguable he would have put 5 seconds between him and Kimi and possibly caught Vettel.


Hell if FIA actually stood for Ferrari Internationale Associazione they would have given Hamilton a DQ for "braking checking" Vettel lol. And would've given Verstappen a 5 place grid penalty :rofl2:.

Oddly enough most of the FIA appointed drivers stewards are British or French with no association to Ferrari (apart from Brawn, although he is not a race steward). Matter of fact most of them have closer ties to Renault and Lotus than they do Ferrari. So it's actually more surprising that Ferrari ever gets any slack.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/13...k-limits-rules

FIA tightens track limits rules for Formula 1's Mexican Grand Prix

The FIA has imposed new track limits rules at Mexico City's first corner following the problems that marred Formula 1's 2016 Mexican Grand Prix.

On the first lap last year, Lewis Hamilton cut across the grass after running wide at Turn 1 and rejoined the circuit still in the lead.

Race stewards did not believe he had gained a lasting advantage from the incident, so did not order him to concede position to Nico Rosberg.

There was bigger controversy later when Max Verstappen ran across the grass in an identical way while defending against Sebastian Vettel.

Verstappen went on to take third place on the road, but was handed a penalty post-race - dropping him off the podium - because stewards felt he had unfairly benefited.

Speed bumps, which are 50mm high, have been installed on the left hand kerb between Turns 1 and 2, with a second series of them situated between Turns 2 and 3.

In a note sent by F1 race director Charlie Whiting to teams ahead of the Mexican race, he has made clear that drivers will now have to go around the second series of speed bumps before they rejoin the track - which in theory will cost them time.

"For safety reasons, any driver who either passes to the left of or runs over the orange kerb sections on the driver's left between Turns 1 and 2, or who passes to the left of the bollard on the apex of Turn 2, must rejoin the track by driving around the end of the orange kerb sections on the driver's left between Turns 2 and 3," Whiting wrote.

Further limits have been placed at Turns 8 and 11, where other speed bumps have been put down.

Whiting added: "For safety reasons, any driver whose car passes completely behind the kerb on the apex of Turn 8 must rejoin the track by keeping wholly to the right of the orange kerb parallel to the track on the exit of the corner.

"For safety reasons, any driver whose car passes completely behind the kerb on the apex of Turn 11 must rejoin the track by keeping wholly to the left of the orange kerb parallel to the track on the exit of the corner."

^^^ Much better in mho! I the same for everyone period!

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As fans we hope this works! :tup:

Agreed!

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yes, hopefully less drama and more racing.

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Did you see this?

Ferrari Threatens to Pull out of Formula 1 - Motor Trend

Yup just finished the article about 15 minutes ago! The battle for control begins!

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In a way, it addresses the need to equal the playing field and not have 2 races occurring in every GP. Top 3 and the rest. As well as the obvious which is getting Liberty's coffers filled (or give it back to all teams which will never happen).

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Vettel is worried about losing P2 in the WDC to Bottas. Only has himself to blame for that if it happens!!

Sebastian Vettel: Losing P2 in championship would be another failure

Talk about unreliability and $h!tstorm caused by Renault and it's leadership.

https://www.grandprix247.com/2017/11...-lead-renault/

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Thats gonna be hard to fathom should Ferrari leaves F1.
Otherwise F1 would be just any other race series.

I agree with one commentator F1 is an elite club more so than a car race.
Berrnie E. admits he always caters or kindle the whims of Ferrari for the betterment of the sport.

Isn’t FIA means Ferrari International Automobile? Lol

Well the last race of the year is tomorrow morning. F1 in Abu Dubai. This is one of the coolest tracks on the circuit. :tup:

Should be a fun race!!

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/13...abu-dhabi-pole

Well F1 has came to an end on NBCSN. Next year it will be on ESPN with new commentators. I will miss the ones that we have had for the past 5 year. Even the F1 trade mark has changed as well. It will be interesting next year to say the least.

Did they say who will be the commentators?

I heard Aston Martin will be joining F1?

Don't know who will be the commentators and I don't they said who it will be. Only time will tell. Heard the same about Aston Martin as well.

I wish Robert Kubica can go back yo F1

So far this year was the most exciting F1 series lots of overtaking and agressive driving.
The new young drivers gave the sport lots of excitement, Ocon, Magnussen the ever famous “suck my balls”..Strolls stupid driving together being overtaken near the finish line that boy likes to take a nap at the end of the race. Remember that incident with Vettel at the end of the race.

The non stop rant of Alonso on the Honda engine “No Power” lol
And lot more...oh the alleged Brake check of Hamilton on Vettel.
Vettel was just napping too like Stroll in my opinion.

Best commentator quote of the day when Alonso was behind Williams AGAIN.

"Fernando must know very rivet in the wing of that car".

:iagree: That was very funny. The Next commentators whoever they are, are going to have a tough act to follow

Gonna miss the NBC guys. David Hobbs has been the voice of F1 to me since I started watching way back when he was on ESPN and CBS, I think it was. I met Will Buxton on a plane and he seems a really nice guy. I'll miss them all. The new logo sucks. The old one was a classic.

Ditto.
I love listening to these guys. Hobbs cracks me up.
I was bumbed when F1 moved from Speed to NBC, but was then pleased when they moved the announcers too.