Aftermarket Radiator Overflow Tank

Wiggins3377 · 03-20-2013, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0

Sorry, it's 6:30 and I haven't slept yet, so pardon the stupidity...
But do you mean heated up in a bad way? LOL
Or heated up as in got a lot of interest?

Alot of interest and discussion, which is a great thing. Hopefully there are enough people out there interested so that this will actually happen for a decent price.

You can definately put me on the list as someone looking to do this ASAP, at least if the price is right.

simota1 · 03-20-2013, 01:22 PM

its funny you guys mention a power steering reservoir it was one of the first things i hated on our cars... ^^^^ pic above is actually a mishimoto oil catch can there was nothing in it.... empty like a coffee can.... what i did basically was bought one a while back but it didnt work as i dreamed off.... monday i came up with a way to make it work as a power steering reservoir

i just ran it last night and it worked

the next and last thing i still have to work on is the cap.... because it has to breathe DE makes a very good point about the fluid level.... even if its skinnier than the OE tank it carries more because its taller... (i made sure because i put all the old fluid in a container and then put it in the mishimoto one and it didnt go up to the half level....) im also not worried about the level because i have a stillen power steering cooler which increased my fluid capacity

simota1 · 03-20-2013, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0

(I play devil's advocate because I'm a realist, so please no one get butt hurt... And I have dealt with/know a lot of people to directly deal with metal/machining/welding and such.)

Offering a combo increases price to the point where economically it's stupid, but I guess there's less crap under your hood
A Mishimoto PS reservoir is cheaper than adding one to this...
Also, with regards to PS, you don't want to DECREASE the amount of fluid, you want to increase the hell out of it on our cars... It overheats quickly and god knows the fluid is REALLY turbulent

I'll check with my supplier and CNC guy, maybe it'll be cheaper... Or maybe easier to go with billet, machine it out, then weld a bottom piece on...

ANOTHER HUGE cost will be the lid, sounds dumb, but unless it's premade and it's just welded on, the cost will go up... And premade ones would likely be steel, not aluminum...

DE is definitely correct on this one... i know it sounds dumb but the cap is the most costly part of this project because it would take my guys probably 2-3 hours from start to finish.... if you add that up that right there is about $180 of labor.... with that being said im definitely going to buy the caps premade and just weld them on... i found a site where the caps costs 50 shipped

my last headache is the site glass.... i want people to just look at the side and see where the fluid is at and not have to peak in the tank with a flashlight.... i know the old UAM did not have a sight glass nor the fitting for the breather hose they just drilled a hole on the cap.... i am not to partial about just drilling out a hole on the cap because it will spit.... unless you make the cap a 2 piece breather cap so it wont spit....

basically guys i promise to keep the costs at the lowest but also keep in mind for the combo like DE said... the more i gotta do then the more the cost goes up.... with that being said i can easily see these things costing in the 300 range and the 400 range for the combo cans... now dont write those prices in stone please it could be less or a little bit more....

again i stress i will keep the costs as low as i can but labor is expensive and in the end i gotta make money so its worth my while..... only reason why im even going through this headache is my buddy in japan is asking to start making these "im guessing his gonna start selling these" and he has been a tremendous help in my build

Wiggins3377 · 03-20-2013, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by simota1

DE is definitely correct on this one... i know it sounds dumb but the cap is the most costly part of this project because it would take my guys probably 2-3 hours from start to finish.... if you add that up that right there is about $180 of labor.... with that being said im definitely going to buy the caps premade and just weld them on... i found a site where the caps costs 50 shipped

my last headache is the site glass.... i want people to just look at the side and see where the fluid is at and not have to peak in the tank with a flashlight.... i know the old UAM did not have a sight glass nor the fitting for the breather hose they just drilled a hole on the cap.... i am not to partial about just drilling out a hole on the cap because it will spit.... unless you make the cap a 2 piece breather cap so it wont spit....

basically guys i promise to keep the costs at the lowest but also keep in mind for the combo like DE said... the more i gotta do then the more the cost goes up.... with that being said i can easily see these things costing in the 300 range and the 400 range for the combo cans... now dont write those prices in stone please it could be less or a little bit more....

again i stress i will keep the costs as low as i can but labor is expensive and in the end i gotta make money so its worth my while..... only reason why im even going through this headache is my buddy in japan is asking to start making these "im guessing his gonna start selling these" and he has been a tremendous help in my build

Those prices sound extremely fair to me. Are you planning to make a tank that looks close to the ARC one (seen below). I also think the breather hose is needed.

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simota1 · 03-20-2013, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Wiggins3377

Those prices sound extremely fair to me. Are you planning to make a tank that looks close to the ARC one (seen below). I also think the breather hose is needed.

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breather hose is definitely needed.....

... as long as i can find those aluminum fittings

DEpointfive0 · 03-20-2013, 02:41 PM

Sim, not trying to steal your thunder, for $300-400, I'm almost 100% sure I can get them machined from billet for, still leaves the cap...
You said you wanted to buy the caps... I assume that you can only find them in steel, steel and aluminum don't mix :shakeshead: you almost cannot weld them together... (I say almost because it IS plausible, just a MAJOR PIA)
Window is a good idea, but for an order of 10-50, it'll increase cost $50-100/each (If this sounds absurd to you guys, I promise, it's not, it's very realistic, or if you think it IS too much, lets all come up with a way for it to be economically viable)

My goal is sub $300 which either depends how many people I can get on board with a 50% down, and/or figuring a less expensive, not cheaper, way out. My #1 goal isn't making money, it's more helping the forum while keeping jobs in America vs China.

That said, I am still looking into other techniques, one option may have to be a NON threaded cap, kind of like a push on cap.
May sound ghetto, but if it's done well, it should be gold

DEpointfive0 · 03-20-2013, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by simota1

breather hose is definitely needed.....

... as long as i can find those aluminum fittings

Welllllll... The breather is ONLY for the catch can (I don't mean to state the obvious)
Again, if we're dabbling with that, the price will be really high... And I don't think you would want to lower the capacity of your radiator fluid reservoir.

Also, since 70%~ of us have a CAI, there's already opened space to put oil catch cans there, so I don't think there is a reason to reinvent the wheel
(And I think those hoses are UGLY AS SIN) and they'll turn brown over time... Lol

simota1 · 03-20-2013, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DEpointfive0

Sim, not trying to steal your thunder, for $300-400, I'm almost 100% sure I can get them machined from billet for, still leaves the cap...
You said you wanted to buy the caps... I assume that you can only find them in steel, steel and aluminum don't mix :shakeshead: you almost cannot weld them together... (I say almost because it IS plausible, just a MAJOR PIA)
Window is a good idea, but for an order of 10-50, it'll increase cost $50-100/each (If this sounds absurd to you guys, I promise, it's not, it's very realistic, or if you think it IS too much, lets all come up with a way for it to be economically viable)

My goal is sub $300 which either depends how many people I can get on board with a 50% down, and/or figuring a less expensive, not cheaper, way out. My #1 goal isn't making money, it's more helping the forum while keeping jobs in America vs China.

That said, I am still looking into other techniques, one option may have to be a NON threaded cap, kind of like a push on cap.
May sound ghetto, but if it's done well, it should be gold

i dont mean steel man.... i found aluminum ones and i know you cant weld aluminum and steel i weld for a living.....

if you can produce it cheaper than me

all good man better for me and less stress also... like i said before im only making these tanks for my buddy in japan.... it just so happened a couple of guys were looking for it on the forum also.... so i thought id make the two meet... killing two birds with one stone

simota1 · 03-20-2013, 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DEpointfive0

Welllllll... The breather is ONLY for the catch can (I don't mean to state the obvious)
Again, if we're dabbling with that, the price will be really high... And I don't think you would want to lower the capacity of your radiator fluid reservoir.

Also, since 70%~ of us have a CAI, there's already opened space to put oil catch cans there, so I don't think there is a reason to reinvent the wheel
(And I think those hoses are UGLY AS SIN) and they'll turn brown over time... Lol

and you NEED a breather for the coolant reservoir..... the catch can doesnt need a breather... the hoses can be replaced with black silicone hoses or red, blue ones what ever is your preference.... the catch can has four hoses (obviosly) so its entry... exit... entry.. exit...

the reason why i say you need a breather is the coolant rises and falls when you run your car if you plug that then the pressure has no place to go... the original UAM tanks had no breather hole.... after a couple were sold i noticed they were drilling out the caps....

if you run your system with no breather it will come out from somewhere else... i promise you that... it wont happen right away but it will eventually.... also if it wasnt needed why would every cars coolant reservoir have a breather hole....

Wiggins3377 · 03-20-2013, 03:05 PM

Anyone have a bell to ring? Can you guys tap gloves and promise a clean fight?

... im sure you'll both produce great work. Looking forward to seeing results. I for one am looking for a combo tank, so whoever makes one thats the one i'll go with.

DEpointfive0 · 03-20-2013, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by simota1

i dont mean steel man.... i found aluminum ones and i know you cant weld aluminum and steel i weld for a living.....

if you can produce it cheaper than me

all good man better for me and less stress also... like i said before im only making these tanks for my buddy in japan.... it just so happened a couple of guys were looking for it on the forum also.... so i thought id make the two meet... killing two birds with one stone

LOL, fair enough, preaching to the choir then, LOL!!!

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Originally Posted by simota1

and you NEED a breather for the coolant reservoir..... the catch can doesnt need a breather... the hoses can be replaced with black silicone hoses or red, blue ones what ever is your preference.... the catch can has four hoses (obviosly) so its entry... exit... entry.. exit...

the reason why i say you need a breather is the coolant rises and falls when you run your car if you plug that then the pressure has no place to go... the original UAM tanks had no breather hole.... after a couple were sold i noticed they were drilling out the caps....

if you run your system with no breather it will come out from somewhere else... i promise you that... it wont happen right away but it will eventually.... also if it wasnt needed why would every cars coolant reservoir have a breather hole....

Yeah, I know there is a NEED for the breather, I just thought we were talking about the 4 hoses as the breather, then I was like, noooo... That isn't the radiator bottle, LOL

simota1 · 03-20-2013, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wiggins3377

Anyone have a bell to ring? Can you guys tap gloves and promise a clean fight?

... im sure you'll both produce great work. Looking forward to seeing results. I for one am looking for a combo tank, so whoever makes one thats the one i'll go with.

haha no ones fighting lol... were both good friends on here

we are just pointing out some stuff

Quote:

Originally Posted by DEpointfive0

LOL, fair enough, preaching to the choir then, LOL!!!

Yeah, I know there is a NEED for the breather, I just thought we were talking about the 4 hoses as the breather, then I was like, noooo... That isn't the radiator bottle, LOL

haha

if i put that much breather hoses holey hell

DEpointfive0 · 03-20-2013, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wiggins3377

Anyone have a bell to ring? Can you guys tap gloves and promise a clean fight?

... im sure you'll both produce great work. Looking forward to seeing results. I for one am looking for a combo tank, so whoever makes one thats the one i'll go with.

LOL!!!
I have 0, and I do mean ZERO issues with Simota, great guy, great to do business with, hell, if he wants to be the only one coming up with a design, no chap off my hide, I truly

to Simota, and will chime in with hopeful designs, that's it

(And if it's in regards to the keeping jobs state side, Guam is better than China, so it's all good there, LOL)

simota1 · 03-20-2013, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DEpointfive0

LOL!!!
I have 0, and I do mean ZERO issues with Simota, great guy, great to do business with, hell, if he wants to be the only one coming up with a design, no chap off my hide, I truly

to Simota, and will chime in with hopeful designs, that's it

(And if it's in regards to the keeping jobs state side, Guam is better than China, so it's all good there, LOL)

we pay the US taxes

lol

DEpointfive0 · 03-20-2013, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by simota1

we pay the US taxes

lol

I know!

America Jr.

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