Subaru powered Toyota FT-86 Concept

Jordo! · 11-05-2011, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Rui Z

The 370Z makes 73 lb-ft/liter of torque. The forums beloved Mustang makes 78 lbft/liter. The FR-S makes 76 lbft/liter which is about the same as an S2000. I know these numbers look like a disappoinment to alot of people, but it's inline with top performance vehicles (<$50,000 normally aspirated cars) when considering the size of the engine. They just need a turbo version for the power hungry, but the engine looks like a good engine spec-wise.

Ehhhh... but the bottom line is that it's going to moderately outhandle and out brake a 10 year old FF Celica GT-S, and match it almost exactly in straightline acceleration, and that is hugely fvcking depressing

Red__Zed · 11-05-2011, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Rui Z

The 370Z makes 73 lb-ft/liter of torque. The forums beloved Mustang makes 78 lbft/liter. The FR-S makes 76 lbft/liter which is about the same as an S2000. I know these numbers look like a disappoinment to alot of people, but it's inline with top performance vehicles (<$50,000 normally aspirated cars) when considering the size of the engine. They just need a turbo version for the power hungry, but the engine looks like a good engine spec-wise.

HP/L is an engineers spec, but as a driver, I'm not too impressed. I care more about the lbs/hp, and that spec is not terribly impressive.

Jordo! · 11-05-2011, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

HP/L is an engineers spec, but as a driver, I'm not too impressed. I care more about the lbs/hp, and that spec is not terribly impressive.

Hear, hear!

Red__Zed · 11-05-2011, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordo!

Hear, hear!

unless of course they made it super light or super cheap. I'm not seeing the value as it sits, may reconsider once I drive one though.

Rui Z · 11-06-2011, 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

HP/L is an engineers spec, but as a driver, I'm not too impressed. I care more about the lbs/hp, and that spec is not terribly impressive.

Well Jordos comments were more about engineers spec (high compression ratio, 91 octane, direct injection), so i was responding to that when I listed those hp/l numbers.

I realize this is gonna be a slow car compared to the Z. i dont believe Toyota/Subaru were ever trying to build a fast car. They wanted something more like a miata than a Z.

Skeeterbop · 11-06-2011, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Rui Z

I realize this is gonna be a slow car compared to the Z. i dont believe Toyota/Subaru were ever trying to build a fast car. They wanted something more like a miata than a Z.

If it handles like a miata, it will be a blast on the backroads. It may not have the power that some wish, but I think you are right. They probably want this to compete with the miata, which given the details, it should be pretty evenly matched. We will just have to wait and see what happens when the test drives start coming in.

Isamu · 11-07-2011, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Skeeterbop

If it handles like a miata, it will be a blast on the backroads. It may not have the power that some wish, but I think you are right. They probably want this to compete with the miata, which given the details, it should be pretty evenly matched. We will just have to wait and see what happens when the test drives start coming in.

Red__Zed · 11-07-2011, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Skeeterbop

If it handles like a miata, it will be a blast on the backroads. It may not have the power that some wish, but I think you are right. They probably want this to compete with the miata, which given the details, it should be pretty evenly matched. We will just have to wait and see what happens when the test drives start coming in.

It's just a tough market, especially with the s2k still recent enough that you can snag a clean example

takjak2 · 11-05-2011, 08:28 PM

Called a Toyota dealership in Nashville asking for delivery dates for a test drive. Their new car manager knew nothing about the vehicle, said it has never come up in his future-planning meetings through 2013, and told me to try calling the separate Scion dealership. So I talked to that new-car manager, who said they don't have anything for dates but expect to get them in spring. He'll call me back with any info they get and try to get me the first test drive.

I didn't let on that I have no intention of actually buying one

FL 4Motion · 11-05-2011, 08:31 PM

If this car had even 220 to 240 hp, I think it would be world's better. That said, I've owned two miata's in the past and if car delivers the driving "pleasure" and engagement of those cars, it will still be a hoot to toss around on some back roads.

Red__Zed · 11-06-2011, 06:42 AM

^yeah, but as it sits, it will get left by an s2k

Lug · 11-07-2011, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

^yeah, but as it sits, it will get left by an s2k

MSRP on an S2000 was 34K to 37K. It had better be able to handle this car!

Red__Zed · 11-07-2011, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Lug

MSRP on an S2000 was 34K to 37K. It had better be able to handle this car!

They haven't sold at Msrp since '99 though.

Isamu · 11-07-2011, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

They haven't sold at Msrp since '99 though.

they still sold for 30k +

Red__Zed · 11-09-2011, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Isamu

they still sold for 30k +

And that's relevant because.......they still sell for that?

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