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The ZL1 is really starting to grow on me. I test drove a ZL1 a couple years ago and was really impressed that even though it was a big, heavy car (you could feel it compared to the Z) it was more nimble than I expected. But it really seemed that it needed all that horsepower to get it there. Now that they shaved off some weight and increased the horsepower I imagine they closed that gap big-time. Next is to check it out in-person.
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The 2017 ZL1 with a model year or two on it well be an absolute monster value. I found the first gen to be a serious amount of fun. Stupid power, yet surprisingly competent. The Michelin Pilot Sport Cup tires that were equipped on the car I drove were fantastic, but definitely not something you wanted to bury the throttle with during cold temperatures. When I first drove it, it was about 48 degrees out, and I mildly stepped into the throttle in third gear going around 40mph and the back end stepped out effortlessly. What I did like about it is I found the car to be very predictable and more connected to the driver than I expected. It was really fun when I got to play with it on a 90 degree day during the summer. Don't get me wrong - you can still roast the tires on this car anytime, anywhere - but it was nice having the extra sticky tires on there to really feel how much power this thing put to the ground. Lots of grip, fantastic suspension, stupid power, and piss poor visibility :) I'm super curious to try out this next gen Camaro. I told my wife that I was surprisingly smitten by the new one, and I tend to find American sports cars boring (save the Vette from a driving standpoint and the Viper from an everything standpoint). |
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This gen camaro is on another level. I drove the 1LE of last gen and I found the handling Yo be shocking. As you know the 1LE was the N/A ZL-1 The main thing that GM pushed gives that will have you addicted is TORQUE... The shove into the seat Chevy provides is awesome. Then when you combine it's handling capability. It just takes the game somewhere else for the money... |
https://youtu.be/tJNWdMWGDnw
The most IMPRESSIVE AFFORDABLE BASE CAR TO DATE! Is the Z obsolete now in terms of features and tech for the money? My answer is YES! Unless the base Z becomes the sport tech package with a price tag of $32,000? The base Z is obsolete. |
Not gonna lie - I'm blown away by the numbers the base car is putting down. 5.5s to 60 in a "big ***" Camaro with a 2.0T. With 275hp. Methinks offering a V6 in there is almost pointless now. I think it's a formality that the V6 is even offered in the Mustang and Camaro so they don't shock their buyers by chopping the V6 altogether. I think they'd freak some of their casual buyers out by saying "well we only have a four cylinder and a V8 available now." Most people still associate four cylinder motors with cars like the Versa.
The power figure alone justifies my criticism against the supposedly soon-to-be offered 2.0T in the Q50 that will make a measly 205hp. It's a different car in a different segment altogether... but it just seems like a really weak offering. Especially when this Camaro is going to be $25k all over the place and still be pretty damn quick. A Q50 with 205hp will be lucky to see faster than 7s to 60. Dude in the video is a total goober, btw. But he does the job. |
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I think for the budget conscious. The one size fits all 2.0 get it all in one bundle comes at an amazing price and it's so well done. A buyer would never feel like he settled. If you look at the POV footage in the review the camaro is so stiff and nimble. Considering it's only pulling .90g of flat accel. It looks like on the roads it's capable of more. In a 1g world we forget how good having .90g felt in a sports car. Chevy reminds us that we can do more with less. And the bargain car doesn't have to be a POS. ALL This CAMARO needs is Tint & Wheels and it's ready to roll. Intake exhaust n tune. You're in the 380hp level with just a couple grand. Truly an amazing package. I'm stoked. OMG.... then you have a very worthy GM suspension parts bin. Wow! |
I'm waiting to see what kinda 1/4 mile #'s the 10sp. ZL1 is gonna throw...the SS numbers are pretty good stock & street tires.http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...009b4d9e6f.jpg
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That's the one dealership by me. The YouTube kid who's video you posted is pet of my cars and coffee lol |
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The car definitely handles better than the '15, I think the loss in weight is noticeable but it's still a giant car. The interior is surprisingly cramped though, it's not much bigger than the Z despite the mass amounts of sheet metal. Interior is definitely a step up from the last gen.. Still lots of cheap plastics but it looks and feels much better. I hated the climate controls....you turn the vent rings to control fan and temp. Doesn't feel natural and the temp display is tiny (but it also displays on the screen to make up for it). I've never liked the Camaro exterior and I think this looks worse. The squeezed headlights and taillights look tacky to me, especially since the car itself is still pretty big. Just looks out of proportion. Over all I think the mustang styling but preferred how the Camaro drove. Mash the two together and I'd consider getting myself a muscle car! |
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The car definitely handles better than the '15, I think the loss in weight is noticeable but it's still a giant car. Since this was a v6 model I expected some body roll but it was much better than the barge the previous gen was. The ride is firm but compliant and would he comfortable for long drives. The interior is surprisingly cramped though, it's not much bigger than the Z despite the mass amounts of sheet metal. Interior is definitely a step up from the last gen.. Still lots of cheap plastics but it looks and feels much better. I hated the climate controls....you turn the vent rings to control fan and temp. Doesn't feel natural and the temp display is tiny (but it also displays on the screen to make up for it). The dash screen is also angled down which makes it look weird in my opinion, but it's a large screen and incorporates phone mirroring which is nice. The rimless rear view mirror is a nice touch but the stupid onstar buttons are incorporated into the bottom of the mirror so it's very easy to accidentally dial them while adjusting the mirror. I know because I made two 'emergrncy' calls by accident. Also the onstar buttons do not dim so having a bright blue light in your face at night is annoying. I've never liked the Camaro exterior and I think this looks worse. The squeezed headlights and taillights look tacky to me, especially since the car itself is still pretty big. Just looks out of proportion. Over all I like the mustang styling but preferred how the Camaro drove. Mash the two together and I'd consider getting myself a muscle car! |
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he's a weird looking bastard but a nice guy from the times i've talked to him. |
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I didn't expect the camaro to topple an M4 in so many ways. It seems like now the Germans have gotten somewhat lackadaisical in there approach to performance cars. I understand there's pressure to be fuel efficient in Europe to levels not endured in the U.S. but AMG has seemed to overcome those obstacles rather well. BMW I believe has gotten comfortable because BMW buyers for the most part, will accept anything BMW puts out as the best in the game. No matter how flawed it's become. BMW is the most brand bias corporation, followed by Porsche. Loads of false pride in that market. These two companies can build a any **** mobile and put any price tag on it.... it will be honored and sell very well.
Then you have R&T and car & driver that will give some excuse for bimmer flaws. I laughed when R&T said, the q60 is no BMW. YEAH.... I agree. Something tells me it will be better in terms of price to performance. Maybe this review will be BMW's wake up call to take it back to the 80's. |
https://youtu.be/RN5J0-W29dg
So Camaro mitigated front weight with carbon fiber and lightweight materials to keep the ZL-1 from being front heavy. I wonder how this version will do on a track? At about 3800lbs and 640hp,it should feel rather light on its feet considering TORQUE is also 640lbs tq. |
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could be a pretty good track contender since the SS matches up on an M4 M4 - 3556/3644lbs MT/AT 430hp camaro v8 ss - 3685/3760lbs MT/AT 460hp the stats on paper are even as well. |
https://youtu.be/NAB5pztLP3w
Looking at a Hennessey Camaro pulling 202.1mph. I expect the ZL-1 to be a $70,000 supercar. At this price, it will destroy anything in the price range. It's competitor will be the Hellcat with 707hp but.... with a hellcat weighing over 4200lbs. I don't see the camaro having issues making a meal out of it. |
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Another Reason to buy a Camaro!
Yes! Chevrolet Will Honor Your Camaro's Warranty If You Take It to the Track |
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This s Matt Farrah on the Mustang GT 350 R. The Camaro definitely rivaled it with a cheaper rival in the SS1LE. But it's obvious, this car has tuning that just gives this car an experience that can't be rivaled in a 1LE. This is where the Z/28 comes in. The Z/28 engine has to rev high while maintaining its pushrod TORQUE shove that mustangs lose when they upped the RPM and the Z/28 needs a distinct sound to eclipse this car... we don't have to even discuss handling. Camaro got that locked. And the Z/28 is gonna need some exotic body treatments... the camaro looks pretty cool in person but it needs something to make it stand out more. Something that'll give it a wow factor. That has to be done in the Z/28. Because honestly... The 350R has wow factor to it. |
And the noise the GT350 makes...well if your erection last more than four hour consult your doctor lol!
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Can't wait for the Top Gear review. I assume they tested it by now.
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Okay, so how did he catch him at that rate of speed. He had to have someone else stop him far up the road because there is no way he chased him down even if he was doing 140 and he was at a dead stop!
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but you cannot outrun his radio. |
That's all I'm saying is that the article did not mention any other officers be involved and I know for sure that if there were any other officers in the area they would have responded to the call.
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like wtf man lol |
LMAO...there are very few counties that can afford any type of aircraft especially a helicopter!
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it was a fuckin gunship in the pic for Christ sake lol
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