BOO YAH!!!!!!!

2017 Camaro SS 1LE Might Be Faster On Track Than Mustang GT350

Remember all the mustang jockers on here that hung up their Z's cuz it wasn't fast enough and **** talked camaro's?

News like this makes smile... Moral to the story... That car you think is wack today... May kick your *** tomorrow!?
Lol

Yes totally agree. That's why I don't care TOO much about all power/speed. There's always gonna be something faster. That being said I still won't be driving a BRZ. Get what you want. If it's a blue oval,get it. Got flags on it? Get it. Has one letter...get the thing.

I agree bruh... I like the new stang. Don't get it twisted but 2010/2012, thus forum shoulda been called the mustang forum. Or the Mustang Z bashing forum. I never saw so much hate on a car forum for the actual car. While c0ck worshipping Ford

Which reigns true what us Z enthusiasts say.
"You either get it or you don't... Most don't get the Z"

2017 Chevy Camaro 1LE Price Will Increase | GM Authority

Camaro 1LE package WILL cost more than the 5th gen which was $3,500 but promise it will be less than $5,000. I'm guessing $4,500?

Due to technology they has to increase the price.

I gotta say, the Camaro is the ultimate package and for the first time in a very very long time. A car is getting the praise it deserves.

From what I can gather. Don't get the dual mode option. Go aftermarket. Dual mode is normal v8 tone at its loudest.

Impressive no doubt. Id still rather have a 911 S, lol. Probably even the 350GT over the Camaro. At similar price most definitely a C7.

You're just not going to get a Vette, equipped to perform at this level less than $70k brand new. So for about 45k if you opt for cloth seats and 50k for leather. This is the best performance bargain out there. And I can't wait for the ZL1.... AS this package, will be supercharged with a automatic option.. :happydance:

Really? $50K for leather interior....? Thats a steal!!! Still like the GT350 better though...

I'll reserve my judgement after the reviews and test drive.

You really think a 1LE will out perform an entry C7?

Possibly... With the 1le package, it's possible. But not the Z51 package on a vette

I figure GM learned their lesson in the 80's when they produced a turbo firebird that was faster than the vette. Dumb to make a car a better performer than your showcase.

What you have to understand is each sport vehicle has its own engineering & design teams. They share technology but they also compete. So Camaro guys are trying to get as close to corvette performance as possible. But Camaro research has a smaller budget than corvette. With the Camaro 6. The team was allowed to get the Alfa platform, the LT1 and MRC, so they ran with it like a Superbowl football.

Team camaro just figured out how to do more with less. I think it's awesome.


You're talking about the Firebird GTA. Basically the chassis was lighter on the Pontiac and they stuffed a Grand National engine in it. Which was the undefeatable engine of its day.

Having heard it in person, I thought it was noticeably louder than a normal V8 tone when the valves were open--on par with some aftermarket exhausts. Still a bit quiet for my tastes and certainly quieter than some of the more aggressive aftermarket options I'd heard for the 5th gen (and what little I've seen from some 6th gen stuff).

A few of the aftermarket companies (Borla, for example) are making a dual-mode option for the Camaro, so it may be worth picking it up as an option if you really desire that functionality (don't want to anger neighbors/passengers, whatever). From what I understand, adding the dual-mode functionality outside of the factory is not the most cost-effective thing to do.

Unrelated to the above, but the rest of the thread: I'm really curious if the 1LE keeps up with the entry level vette, or is even close. This could end up being a whole lot of car for the money (more than I originally thought).

I think if it competes against the GT350 is much more interesting. In terms of corvettes, the standard SS is as fast and can beat a C6 corvette grand sport. That in itself speaks volumes.

Dual mode wouldn't be important to me... A camaro wouldn't be my daily

The v6s dominate the National car rental lot right now. I'm planning on renting one next week.

2017 zl-1
 

Group

200lbs lighter than the 4,000lb camaro 5 ZL-1
ALL NEW 10 speed automatic/paddle sifters.

640hp....


GM RULES THE AFFORDABLE SPORTS CAR MARKET!!!

now the real question............price.

with a camaro SS at only 3,600lbs.

I can only imagine a well massaged naturally aspirated 575hp, Z28 with a 100 to 150lb weight reduction. Coming in at around 3,475lbs. Weighing in at 6.04lbs per horsepower. Who's ready for it? I'm horny just Thinkin bout it.

I'm gonna guesstimate $60-63K.

think they should pull the samem ove they did with the vette.

new car - same base price. bring the ZL1 out at 55k.

Official from chevy website
Zl1 camaro coming soon!! Est$ 60k and up
I love how it look but 60k is kinda over price
I rather buy z51 corvette for lil over 60k

I think this will put a c7 z51 to bed. Quickly.

Z51 = 460hp
ZL-1= 640hp

Weight deficit is 300lbs.
Horsepower compensation +180hp, camaro advantage.

The camaro will decimate a Z51. It's a 4 seat Z06 with base corvette pricing.

Give me this and a corvette grand sport please!!

The ZL1 grille looks awesome!

yea im gonna have to agree. although you can get a USED z51 vette for 60k doesnt make it on the same power level as the ZL1 has the same engine as the Z06 Vette which you can really find for less than 80k used.

in the end your real decision should be........

do i buy a camaro and look like white trash

or

do i buy a vette and apply for an AARP card.

LMFAO!!!!!:rofl2: :icon18:

So stereotyped but true. Years ago, maybe 2010 or something, I was...somewhere in Ft Kauderake at a posh hotel with the wife. A slammed out, shiny, brand new Z06 pulls up to get parked. Door opens...Lambo style (so ghey) and this blithering, fat, bald, old man struggles to climb out of the thing. It was comical.

:bowrofl: sounds about right.

even the horrible group of owners aside they are both super common.

i honestly love the vette and like the new camaro a lot.

HOWEVER i really feel i couldnt bring myself to buy either one because of both aforementioned reasons.

........but every time i see a new vette i do feel a sudden urge that i want one lol

I'm just not a GM man... at all... but they are on point lately. By a lot. They just seem so inspired to build great sports cars. I really hope Nissan can get there, but I'm not sure they will. I'm even more suspicious that they will use the Infiniti brand for anything that's not a cookie-cutter crossover, or any type of high-volume car in general.

Back to the GM - the new Camaro is sick. However, it hasn't been out long enough to blossom into its rightful place as the exciting rental car you can get at Hertz, or the sports car driven by every single redneck that won't by a Camaro. The ZL1 will be exclusive enough, but even then, you have the old-south rich that will lap those up. I feel younger buyers may have a window of exclusivity, but soon you'll see so many of these things with extra stripes, fake vents, and chrome grille inserts that it'll make your head spin.

The Vette isn't aging well to me (just like nearly every Vette since the original Stingray) but the Z06 and new Grand Sport are just freakin sweet. I'd take a Grand Sport all day - I like the idea of the n/a V8 with all the fun bits around it from the Z06.

The car GM is making that is really tugging at me right now is the ATS-V. A solid sport sedan with a manual. What a sweet freakin idea. If it had an Infiniti badge on it, I would already have one. I have a lot of problems with putting my money into a GM product given their recent history with burdening the taxpayer with their mismanagement and their quality control issues that have resulted in the deaths of people. Other than that, they're doing great.

I agree the base Vette just looks shittie.... The subtle enhancements of the GS/Z06 make a WORLD of difference. The base vette wore out in looks to me 2 weeks after release. But the Z06 in the right colors just looks great.

The GS would be the only way to go. I think GM shouldn't even sell the base body.

The corvette interior, as much as they improved it, already looks kind of dated. And the plastic looks cheap around the dash. For about $1,900 you can completely retrofit the interior with carbon fiber to get the cheapest plastic out. But the camaro interior really looks like what the vette should have looked like inside. It's amazing to me how much the camaro is superior to the vette in terms of the interior.

https://youtu.be/zwTuJ-FAi8U

This Fvckin ZL-1 WOW!

MUSTANG DECIMATED!!!

Yea, i think everyone knew the stang didn't have a chance. Still like it more though. Lol. Camaro...can't get past its mullet history. All you shut up if I'm driving one next year.

Wish they had telemetry in the video.

yeah but the camaro following is superior to mustang drivers.

actually.......i think honda ricers are better than mustang owners.

:stirthepot:

I dunno. Those Honda and 90's RSX with their fart cans. Those piece of ***** with exhaust dangling and gutted interior are the worst. Just yesterday I'm driving and it was a 90's civic, maybe RSX, real **** box either way, revving at me at the stop light. Just put windows up and still heard it farting as it made its turn. God awful.

but..........the mustangs are worse lol

No.... mustang fanboys said they will decimate the camaro with there new mustang back in 2013. Ford was bragging about 400lb weight reductions and 20 horsepower boosts. Then the car was born heavier and slower. Everyone said "Jungle Z" comments about the camaro. That it was going to fall on its ***. That GM would have to succumb to the same weight penalty as mustang because of new safety regulations....
They thought and hoped the camaro would have the same drawbacks. But Chevy pulled through like champeens baby!!!

250lb average for weight reduction

The fastest camaro in history.

Then mustang fans thought the 350GT Would be the resurrection of mustang. Go find the thread on here. LMFAO. You'll see me saying the 350 won't cut it and others throwing me mustang history, pedigree and competitiveness....

Now we're here. The mustang didn't cut it. It's an awesome car though.... But mustang fanboys are either over glorifying it or making excuses for it.

As far as mullets go.... any muscle car is a mullet machine. Chevy, Ford, Dodge. Lol.

I'm not a muscle car guy.... but I have a muscle car soul. Looking from the outside in objectively.

Camaro!!