m4 could you compare your 370 to the new camaro in all areas?

Sure. Posting from my phone so I'll try to hit on some key points:

Power: No contest. Camaro wins by a mile.

Handling: No contest here in terms of capability. The Camaro feels more sophisticated and composed. Much better body control and more grip. It feels heavier than the Z, though.

Brakes: can't really comment here but the Camaro's brakes felt good to me.

Steering: Camaro's EPAS actually feels better than the Z's hydraulic rack. No dead spot in the steering, good weighting. The wheel is a lot smaller too, which is nice. Turn in is very sharp. The car feels nimble despite its weight.

Interior: I prefer the Camaro. Granted it is newer than the Z which debuted in 2009. It wins on features, technology, and quality.

The Z does have better forward and rear visibility than the Camaro, though. More headroom, too!

Looks: Obviously subjective.


Overall: Depends on what you are looking for, but in every measurable category the Camaro will be the clear winner. There is no contest at all on power, handling, features, comfort, etc. The Camaro is a much more sophisticated car, especially when you are looking at one with Mag Ride. It literally gives you 2 or 3 cars in one (tour, sport, and track.) The only downside to the Camaro in this comparison, IMO, is the size. The Z feels smaller and easier to place on the road. Based on my experience owning a 2011 mustang, you do get used to the size, so it's probably not a huge deal.

So, that's my take. If I was in the market for a sports car right now and had to choose the Z or the Camaro SS, I'd take the Camaro every time.

I've driven the old Camaro often n just couldn't get used to the size... The right front corner has the hugest blind spot for forward visibility and the right rear was a joke. The Camaro was hard to measure during quick handling transitions. Do I fit? That was the question. The last generation mustang front sight line is way more predictable when cornering. I felt no confidence in abrupt right turns.

The 370z on the other hand... It is the CZ-75 of cars. It's point and shoot ability. The Z size it's it advantage against all muscle IMHO.

And that's really the only advantage I can think of. Going to the Camaro from the Z is kind of like going from an S2000 to the Z.

I think you'd make yourself get used to the new one really quick. The old one sucked so bad inside!

You know Callaway, hadda take it there. 600HP Camaro!

Callaway 2016 Camaro SC600

2017 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 Spy Shots And Video

640HP? ZL1? Looks insane on track...

Sub 10 second camaro ALREADY!!

Whoa, There's Already a Brand-New 2016 Chevy Camaro SS Running Nines

The Camaro, it's not even arguable is a better car in just about way than a current Z. That being said, would I buy one over, say a '16 Nismo? I don't know. Pony cars aren't the cats meow for EVERYONE. Probably why we all had/have Z's. We could have all been in a Mustang IF we wanted that at the time. But for the first time for me when I'm back in the market the Camaro will be a very strong contender.

I think it's really a lightly modded SS but the touches make it look sick...

New ZL1 spied - LS1TECH

http://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/ls1tech....7210d60a31.jpg

I had to check my temperature to make sure before I said this out loud...

That damn thing look SICK.

Is that a Camaro that I'm saying that about? WTF is happening?!

2017 1le
 

Man, Chevy is doing something right. Its blasphemy, but i bet the "lowly" V6 will spank a NISMO around a track.

It'll be an interesting shootout. Both have the same acceleration times. A Nismo has about 1.01g of lateral acceleration. The v6 without the setup gets about .94g. That's a base Nismo.
They both weigh about the same, sadly enough. I think it'll be a drivers race for sure... The Z even though older and lagging in tech... I'm pretty sure will still be the superior drivers car, even if it loses on the road course?

My money is on the V6 1LE vs. a NISMO. Having owned a NISMO and a 5gen 1LE v8, I have faith chevy did it right.

Now you done gone & made me laugh; no other N/A v6 will compete with the VQ37VHR,,,I love chevy's too/ but you been smoking some bad weed.
Not sure if you're talking roadcourse racing,drag or what ever: not gonna happen.
If you gonna buy one: better get the V8 8sp.
& when you run across the right modded Z, you gonna get your feelings hurt.
That be a Fact!


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My buddy just got his 14'ss tuned on the Dyno w/ long tubes,test pipes,CAI & full exhaust. Still can't launch it- needs suspension work & drag radials.Attachment 111764
Ended up with 423/424 Hp/Tq
Here's mine when bone stock on a warm day.https://vimeo.com/154955577


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No FI and 423whp? Oh I just saw that's '14 Camaro

I'm going to bet on the V6 1LE too. Considering they said its faster than the previous gen SS. I think it will be close, but I'd bet on it winning.

I'm not sure if you meant modded Z vs the V6 or V8. If you meant a modded Z will beat the 6th gen V8 1LE, you're absolutely bat **** insane. No Z short of a super/turbo charged Z will even get close to the V8 1LE.

If you're talking a modded Z vs the V6 1LE, I guess yea it would win. But that is a silly comparison in my opinion.

I love the Z too, but I'm willing to understand that its a 7-8 year old car. Its incredibly dated. The Alpha platform Camaros are no joke, especially the V8.

N/A 370Z vs 2016 V8 Camaro....look up Hennessy 2016 0-170 camaro,
gets to 158 in 30sec./ while my bone stock 11' A/T Base Touring gets there in 34sec.
i got video & i got a few bolt on mods otw....I Like the Chevy's Too-but the 370 will compete with the V-8 in N/A form.....adding TT & Camaro can sit down.

https://vimeo.com/155088650

when shift light blinks @7k in 5th,,,against the governor @158
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Your V-6 2016 Camaro shows 0-60@5.8 0-100@14.2
Your V-8 2016 Camaro shows 0-60@5,100@10,120@13,150@25
My Base/Touring Stock shows 0-60@5,100@11,120@16,150@28
So-How does a N/A 370 not compete & i only have 275/243 RWHP/TQ ?
And,,,i weigh 285lbs@6'5.5" (3640lbs. full of fuel)
I must be cheating,,,LoL
Will Go 11's N/A in the spring on HP & Factory 3.359 axle gearing.

Good luck in your pursuit of 11s

I would love to see the source that says the 2016 camaro v6 gets to 60 in 5.8 seconds.... From what I've read the 6th get camaro gets to 60 in 5.1 seconds. You're quoting 5th get times...

Not to mention a few rags hit 60 in UNDER 4 with the SS. Dont get me wrong, I LOVE Z's but the Z34 aint touching the camaro without FI. Itll be a tough fight with equal drivers with the "lowly" V6.

The only thing you're cheating on is where you're getting your numbers from :icon17: They're 2015 numbers, not 2016.

A few folks in this thread have already backed me up, but I'll entertain you.

2016 Camaro 1SS:

0-60: 3.9 seconds
0-150: 25.1 seconds (the 370z goes 0-150 in 35.1 seconds, NOT 0-158--I assume this was just a typo though).
1/4 mile: 12.3 seconds. It's worth noting that there are posts on the Camaro6 forums of guys getting super close to breaking into 11 bone-stock and people breaking into 11's with drag radials. I'm sure some hero runs will break into 11's bone-stock (if they haven't already).

You can validate any of this via Motor Trend, Car and Driver, Hot Rod...literally any magazine that has done a test. Some have pulled better numbers than the ones seen above (not by much though).

I call bull **** on you taking an NA 370z and running into 11's with it. Maybe if you get the absolute hero of hero runs (still no). If you do, be sure to post it in the 1/4 mile thread because you'll be the king of NA Z's over there (you won't post there, because it's not happening). Maybe if you dump enough into the motor where you could have just FI'd it for cheaper.

I'm not trying to pick a fight with you (this is a great conversation, in my opinion), and I LOVE the 370z too, but it's just not anywhere near close to the Alpha platform Camaro. That car is as it's platform name suggests. Granted, it costs approximately 8-10k more than a Z. But I'd gather that 8-10k in a Z still won't touch it.

For fun, here's a video of a 2016 Camaro SS with cams, heads, exhaust and a 150 shot of nitrous breaking into 9's

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuL2i6oZpT0

Lastly, I didn't pull the 2016 V6 numbers. I can if you'd like, but I trust you can google them better than you did the last time. :icon17:

Numbers on 370 are from my personal ~Z~ and not from a magazine, numbers from camaro came from Hennessy 0-170 video - before & after.... They had a M/T in the camaro...might have been why it was slower- I posted my video- count the seconds on the frames


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Attachment 111834
Not using numbers from a chart like this, calculating actual numbers from video.
V8 camaro shows 0-116 in 12.3 here
My chart had 0-120 in 13,,,about same.
V-6 camaro I posted must have been the turbo.
But in all honesty; everyone are a bit different & the A/T Z's are definitely quicker; maybe that's why you can't comprehend it.
JDubya
Now go back to post #621 & examine


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Attachment 111835
Dyno showed 156
More like 0-156 in 33 or 34sec. That's bone stock.


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Just provide the video link so we can see everything instead of a snippet of a pic.

Camaro
http://youtu.be/yEGHZnoBoHA

Just for fun! for the 9sec. camaro
http://youtu.be/EJFB66bZf08

So, what you've done here is single out one specific source that seems to fit your argument (it doesn't) and ignore the numerous other magazine publications' numbers that are testing the car. I hope to god you aren't a lawyer.

Let's see...using your own evidence against you. I think you watched that Hennessey video with the sound off. You'll notice the driver say "I had a bad launch, the surface wasn't prepped at all, the car has a bit more in it." Also, if you actually watch the video, you'll notice he's short shifting the car throughout almost every gear (and still gets better numbers than a Z ever will).

It's also funny how your original 0-150 times you posted from the Hennessey video are completely wrong. The car rolls out at 6 seconds, hits 150 at 31 seconds (you can do the math). All that with a poor launch. All I see are 370z's hitting 0-150 in the low/mid 30s (including your video).

The whole point in me linking the video for the 9 second Camaro was to show the potential of the car with very limited modifications. The 370z doesn't have (to my knowledge), an NA version of the car even close to those kind of numbers, especially with that limited amount of money put into it.

What is your counter-argument to that video? Oh i'll post a 350z RACE CAR with at least $100k dumped into it that runs a 6.56 1/4 mile. You may as well have posted a video of an AMS GTR and told us how much faster it is than the almost-stock Camaro. The only thing 350z about that car is that they decided to make the completely modified body look like a Z.

But you know what, I'll again entertain you by posting something equally as idiotic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChgDquG8GlA. Look, a completely different model year Camaro running into 5's! I sure showed you!

I really don't know what else to tell you at this point. Everyone with any actual knowledge of cars (or just the ability to read) knows that the 2016 Camaros (the V8 in particular) are just better cars than the 370z, from a performance perspective. For whatever reason, you refuse to see it. You're like a husband defending his wife even though he knows she's wrong. Yea, we get it--you love the Z (so do all of us), but sometimes you just have to be honest and tell someone when they're wrong.

As far as I'm concerned, if the Z wants to compete with this car, it's onto the Z35. I don't want to derail this thread, as there's already a lengthy thread on the Z35, but we can only hope Nissan gives us something great that can compete with the newest generation of these cars.

A bit more on topic, but I'll be interested to see what track numbers look like as they start to roll out (i.e., both cars' times on the same track).

You have to really hate your car/ may as well sell it to someone who will appreciate it.... You probably don't even own a ~Z~


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I try to lift up other Z owners,,, sure: if I wanted a camaro- I would have bought one... I just know the potential of these cars haven't been seen yet!


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Really? You're resorting to "you probably don't even own a Z?" Come on, man. Now you're just posting drivel. After reading your posts, I'm not shocked you'd post something like this, but it's still disappointing that this is what you resort to.

I'm not sure why I'm again entertaining you, but here you go, with my ugly winter wheel setup on and dirty as hell:

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I can appreciate you trying to lift up Z owners, but I'm not sure that it's doing them any favors. The car is 8 years old. The potential of them has been seen.

I absolutely love my Z. I love how rare it is, how it looks and the performance for the money (this used to be a lot better of course). But I'm a realist as well. I'll admit that I do yearn for more performance, as the Z is so dated. It does frustrate me to see companies like Chevy come out with these amazing cars and Nissan sit on the bench. I'm optimistic Nissan is going to "Wow" me soon enough, though. Granted, that optimism may be misplaced.

Now; I can agree on the 2nd part of your statement about Nissan coming out from the Factory with it. That is true/ but with the GTR being their eyepiece-gonna have to mod to keep up.
Sorry if I disrespected you in any way- from the factory: the Z will not keep up with the 16' (but I like building my own)


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No disrespect taken at all, no worries, we're good. I'm with ya on the GTR part. They love the hell out of that car and are likely super focused on it (can't blame them too much). I just want some of that love into the next Z.