Hello... If you look at the numbers. The turbo 4 is $2000 cheaper than the ecoboost.
The v6 is $2,000 more expensive.

WHERE $5,000 CAME FROM? Maybe on the GT's. But he price checked his own car.

FWIW, when I configure an Ecoboost vs a Camaro V6, I come up with 32k (Truecar) for the Ford and $36k (GM Employee) for the Camaro. The general theme here is that the Mustang configuration will likely be cheaper than that of the Camaro, regardless of the model.

You also have to remember that the concept of "value" includes both objective and subjective components.

Some people here find great value in paying nearly $50k for a 2015 Nismo...

It makes sense, too. Camaros have higher starting MSRP and more expensive option packages than Mustang.

To make a determination on price I optioned out from MSRP's. As true car will give you a guesstimated what people average.

Fully loaded from Ford I got $38,000leather, premium package optional colors etc.
I did the same with Chevy.

It is all relative.

His case kinda holds true for v8 models as the

V8 mustang premium is 37,295
2SS V8 IS $41,300

CHEVY is more expensive as a v8 by $3,995

The v8 is where the mustang wins in value.

wait................why the hell is there an argument about NON V8 options of these cars?

it's simple. with a mustang or Camaro if you don't get a V8 you're a pole smoker.

end of argument//

I used True Car and GM Employee pricing for a reason... it's very close to what you actually pay for the car in the real world.

And to reiterate, value is both subjective and objective.

He's choosing to debate facts... Lol. In reality though. I think the Camaro v6 is a compelling performance package. If they come out with more aggressive suspensions for the v6. This thing will be 100% competition for the Z.

Well not 100% cuz it's a 2+2 but you know what I mean.

:wtf2:

I'm not debating facts. I'm merely highlighting that this isn't exactly science. Configurations vary and what you consider to be an equivalent configuration might differ from what Subaruwrxfan thinks. And at the end of the day you are the one that "fact checked" him because his 8k or whatever claim was a little bit off of the 5k reality, as configured by you. :p

I get that, but next year there won't be a premium on Camaro. Since the Camaro is all new. Averages will be different. Like last year when mustang dropped. Camaro was giving $2,500 bonus cash to make sure they sell so it's all relative. I'm going by manufacturer because over the 6+year model range.these are the numbers that will begin to blur into each other . As we saw with the last gen cars.

I suppose that's fair, however I feel like using the employee pricing (which is right around invoice) gives you a pretty fair comparison since you should expect to pay invoice or better for any car, even the new Camaro.

Also helps that Ford bumped prices across the board by $1300 recently. Not sure why.

Actually, that $1300 bump could be part of the discrepancy. Subaruwrxfan bought his Mustang long before the increase. :icon17:

At the end of the day. They are two great cars. In reality, I like both cars. If I were buying, I'd have have to think it through though I lean toward Camaro.

I'll agree with you there, brother! I'd say I prefer the Mustang overall due to the look and the visibility/function. Unfortunately the Camaro's looks don't do much for me. I think it has one or two badass angles (front and front quarter) but other than that I don't see myself turning around to look at it as I walk away, if you know what I mean. I still would need to get some quality driving time with one before I could fully make a decision, though!

From my perspective...

I prefer the mustang slightly in looks but the Camaro in stance.

I prefer the Camaro interior but prefer mustang e brake.

I prefer Camaro torque but prefer mustang high rev nature.

Steering in a Camaro is better

Seating position in a Camaro is much better.

Braking in a Camaro is better

Visibility in a Stang is better.

Street presence is tied.

I wish Ford would make the magic shocks an option on the GT.

Expanding on what you said about looks, I really love the Mustang from most all angles. I think it has a very classic and sexy shape, sort of like the Z does. Looks elegant in many ways.

The Camaro on the other hand is a total brute... sharp lines and creases chiseled from a brick basically. I love the front and front-quarter view, but am not a huge fan of the side profile or rear view.

I think the Camaro looks brilliant from this angle:

http://i1042.photobucket.com/albums/...pswq2c6jao.jpg

But not really this:

http://i1042.photobucket.com/albums/...pso8afr1gz.jpg

Or this:

http://i1042.photobucket.com/albums/...psbkdff3hf.jpg

I still really like it, though... Sometimes I wish I was diehard Ford or Chevy so I could just dismiss one or the other and not have to make any tough decisions. :bowrofl:

Also, important to note that the Camaro in those pictures has the sunroof, which I've heard severely limits headroom. It also doesn't look very appealing. If I ordered a Camaro I'd get it without the sunroof so I could have the "double bubble" roof.

Source: CAMARO6 - View Single Post - Official HYPER BLUE 6th Gen Camaro Thread

^ Camaro looks much better in that color

There's a lot going on in the back of the Camaro. I think the back in black looks good. Also in the dark red and grey. Other colors the back starts looking a little strange.
Off the side it's average. It still looks like the old Camaro with a different back window.
The sunroof has less visual appeal. But Chevy makes a quality su roof. The vacuum effect in certain positions allows cool air to rush in without the need for AC on warm days. But I feel you on the hard top.


I just remembered... I made mention a year ago when I first posted this that the 2.0T would match or exceed the performance of the ecoboost based on its performance in the heavier ATS. I got nay sayed by someone and they gave me an ecoboost speech. A year later in practice, the proof is in the stats. With 40 horsepower deficit and less torque, is virtually a match to the ecoboost. Good job GM. Having driven the ATS 2.0T performance on a few occasions. I know that Camaro will be fun, torquey and quick. Doing more with less. This is why, we buy Japanese cars. They do more with less. GM did well with turbos in the 80's. They gave up on a niche they had locked. Glad to see them back.

I don't care about anything but the V8s in these cars. :bowrofl:

Oh, had a chance to check them both out back to back yesterday. I didn't drive them, but I can say at least in terms of seating position I prefer the Camaro. It's lower and more sports car-like. There are more hard plastics in the Camaro, though, but they tend to be in out of reach spaces.

I actually prefer it's interior to the C7. :embarassed: :icon14:

Another thing about both the Camaro and Mustang... in person they don't look anything like how they do in photographs. Both look better in the flesh.

Camaro is starting to tug at my heartstrings a little, too. :icon17:

The one I looked at yesterday was Hyper Blue. :yum:

I like that kind of blue, as evidenced by our 335.

https://stfoto.smugmug.com/Cars/2013...bmw-9569-L.jpg

Agreed on all points Yeah in practice I'd only buy a v8. But also loving tech as a whole. Impressed with great turbo engines. I think 2.0T in GM is a great engine.

The corvette idash s looking dated already compared to the Camaro dash.

I still think the C7 is a nice place to be, but there is a lot going on there. The Camaro is just simple, comfortable, and feels just as nice as the C7 (except in the areas where it uses hard plastics.) GM's choice of leather (probably synthetic) that they use on the door trim, dash insert, and arm rest is very nice and feels high end. The 8" screen with the downward tilt looks fantastic too, with virtually zero glare.

Also, the "blade spoiler" is now an option on the Camaro configurator. I believe this is it... I like this A LOT better than the wing!



The only negative to the Camaro is that if you like to look up at things or put your arm out the window, you can't really do it. The door sills are super high and the roof is very low. The Z has better visibility, for sure. But it's not *too* bad.

The vette is nice inside... Camaro is visually nicer. As you stated the Camaro has more hard plastic. More area to furnish while keeping costs down in the Camaro.

I would definitely go Blade!!

Yeah, wrapping the entire dash and the full door like they do in the C7 would easily add another grand to the base price.

In reality, though, it's no big deal. You literally have to reach up over the dash to feel any hard plastic, and if you've sat in the new Camaro you'll know you really have to put in an effort to reach up over the dash. :icon17:

Finally drove a 2SS manual with magnetic ride and dual-mode exhaust. Wow.

Damnit!! Tell me you hated it!! Say it!!! Say it damn you!!! LOL.

Trust me, I really want to lie to you bro, I do... but... I am in love.

The only thing I didn't like is the visibility, but I think I'd get used to that after a couple days.

I think what amazed me the most was that setting it to "Tour" mode basically turned it into a Cadillac with great handling.

Feeeeeeeeeeeeeecccckkkkkkkkk....there goes my trip to the Med. Son of a....

If it makes you feel any better, I don't think I'm going to be buying one. At least not right now. My wife wants an X5, so I think I'm going to trade the Z and drive our 335i for a while. I want to see what happens with the ZL1/Z28 and GT350.

Then again, if she said "lets get a Camaro today" I'd run back to the dealership and put my order in. :icon17:

She is not a Camaro fan, though. Just the other day she was saying things like:

"Camaros are shameful"

and

"What do you do when someone asks what kind of car you drive? Admit you have a Camaro?"

:bowrofl:

Thats a pretty goddamn awesome response. Shes a keeper, hold on to that bacon.

It's definitely a better response the having to admit you bought a Ford:rofl2:

Or the delusional rhetoric that the Genesis coupe is 90% Z. :icon18:

:stirthepot:

:bowrofl::bowrofl:

:tiphat:

Ouch....k, 110% 😜

You just went from delusional to straight jacket real quick!

:roflpuke2::roflpuke2:

Lol. Depending on what they do with the Genesis brand and the car it might be a real contender but then if Nissan does it right and give us twin turbos then we have a battle going on.

The Genesis coupe won't be a contender to a Z. It will against the Q60.it's going much more upmarket and won't be a bargain version.
I think Kia will be attempting a Z type competitor?

https://youtu.be/mPB1KL45ins

Camaro v6 review.

It doesn't have an active exhaust on this tester and still sounded amazing. I hope they make a track version of the v6? It's just too good to stay as just a commuter car thru the life cycle.