Yup I am, I think Chevy is more skilled at suspension tuning and having driven the cadillac ATS and have ridden in an ecoboost. The ATS is peppier!

lol.... I'm not sure I will, I love the current 1LE, but i don't own one.:tiphat:

Fiance has a 1LE and it was the first care under 60k I've ever been in that I said 'yup, I'd trade my Z for this.' The 1LE is a beast of a car and in my opinion out performs the Z in every area, despite it's hefty weight. And I suppose if you look at magazine testing the 1LE does indeed out perform the Z. So I'm excited to see that the new SS is even better and also lighter. Though I think we may wait a year or two to see if they offer a 1LE option or similar before we trade in her 2014.

Chevy has had 2 major and 1 minor redesign since 2010 with 2 major engine changes. Ford has had 2 major and minor redesigns since 2009 and 2 major and one minor engine changes since 2009. Nissan has had one model and engine since 2009. Nissan needs to step up their game to a whole other level if they want to compete in this price range. Japan in general needs to pull their head out of their asses and go back to the days when they actually made cars worth driving in a good price range. I've owned a Z since I was 17, nearly half my life, and my current Corvette is my first Domestic car ever. The way trends are going with car companies I may never go back imports, my old Z's will be enough

Well, after a second look, I think my only gripes are that I wish they'd do away with the grill between the headlights and just leave the lower one. Otherwise, the front and rear a both nicer and the profile is overall nice.

I'm sure it will handle and brake well for its girth, and the interior looks nice buuutttt that turbo 4 will feel peppy off the line and then run right out of breath. The 300 hp Mustang feels anemic; a car of similar weight and even less power will feel very ponderous (obviously this doesn't apply to Unknown's interest in the V8 at all) .

I think most consumers will compare and contrast the V6's, and I'm guessing the Camaro will cost a lot more for those 30 extra ponies.

V8 to V8, it's probably just going to come down to who considers themselves to be "Ford" or "Chevy" people.

Come 2016-2017, I'm still keeping my eye out for a gently used 4c or the Z35.

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Chevy swears the 2016 Camaro is lighter, faster, and put simply, better, than its ancestors. And after a couple of hot laps around Detroit's IndyCar race course, our reply is simple. We agree.

The 2016 edition is a demonstrative step forward for the Camaro. Carmakers always say their products handle better, especially sports cars. But in this case, it's true. Chevy cut more than 200 pounds from the Camaro's curb weight, and it shows. The new platform makes a major difference, too. The result is the 2016 Camaro drives more like a sports car than its predecessor, which feels bulky and dated in comparison.

As General Motors car-guy-in-chief Mark Reuss said, "It is wicked fast and extremely nimble."

We experience that first hand during our brief test drive, which only served to whet our appetite for future seat time. Less than 24 hours after the sixth-generation Camaro was revealed, we return to drive V6-powered pre-production prototypes (the V8 and turbo four cylinder are not available). Clad in camouflage, the cars still look imposing, their head- and taillights shining beneath the black-and-white tape at the starting line of the track.

We select the middle car in a group of three. It has the Tremec six-speed manual. Excellent, we muse. A GM test driver leads the group out of the pits and our speed builds. We work through the gears, but settle on third and fourth most of the time. The exhaust note sounds good at wide-open throttle. It rumbles at low speeds and howls when prodded. It's hard to believe this is a V6.

As we navigate the tight course, and the Camaro shows its stuff. The platform, called Alpha, is also used by the Cadillac ATS and CTS. It's agile and stiff. We feel that when we aggressively dive into corners. The Camaro is poised and takes what we throw at it. The new electric power-assisted steering system has a better, more communicative dynamic than the old car, thanks to a quicker ratio. We note the stout brakes, which help cover our mistakes and provide confidence.

We get one lap in this car, and it's a memorable one. Our encore comes in another prototype with the eight-speed automatic transmission. It has paddles, but with only one more lap ahead, we let the Camaro decide when to shift, which it does smartly. It downshifts aggressively when we want it to, but on the brief straightaways the gearbox smoothly gets us to a high velocity.

After driving both, it's almost surprising how much better the 2016 model feels than the '15 we tested first for comparison. It stays buttoned-up at times when the old car would have been all over the place. The new Camaro is also about two inches shorter in length and wheelbase. It's hard to quantify that during a couple of hot laps, but judging by the car's improved reflexes, it seems to have helped. The last generation relied on raw power and sophisticated engineering to compete with the sporty Ford Mustang, but it also felt closer to Dodge's hefty Challenger. Now, the athletic 2016 Camaro is much more in step with the 'Stang.

Though the new car is said to be more than 200 pounds lighter, that's a blanket number that applies to the entire Camaro range. The V6 model is actually about 300 pounds lighter, and that difference is apparent in our back-to-back drives. After all, the 335-horsepower six-cylinder has only 12 more ponies than last year's V6, but it feels much stronger and more capable.

It's a little strange to evaluate a brawny American muscle car on its weight-loss program, but slimming down the Camaro was Chevy's goal from the start. Chief engineer Al Oppenheiser wanted to "remove the stigma of mass," from the car to help it reach its full potential, which it feels much closer to than before.

Our time in the Camaro also allowed for a brief inspection of the interior. Like the C6 Corvette, the last Camaro had an aging interior with mediocre materials. The C7 received its upgrade, and the Camaro now follows suit. These prototypes, clad in red and black leather, look surprisingly sharp. The eight-inch screen in the center of the instrument panel was smartly positioned and easy to read, at least during our quick glances while in pit road. Like the car's driving character, the interior is sharper in every way.

Conversely, the outside looks like the fifth generation. This is still the Camaro, there's no doubt about that. It takes a close eye to see the differences, which are more apparent when the cars are sitting side by side. The 2016's headlights squint a little bit more, and the lower front air vents are more prominent. In back, the taillights are shaped differently, and the fascia is creased. There are more differences, though they're subtle, to say the least.

But the 2016 redesign wasn't about cosmetics. Chevy already had the Camaro styling down cold, anyway. It wasn't a problem. The car's handling was, and Chevy has fixed it. It drives better, and with more energy than before. "My favorite part of the car is the vehicle dynamics," Reuss said. We only had two hot laps in the car, but we agree wholeheartedly.

The Camaro 5 v6 was about 3750lbs and 312hp.
The Camaro 6 v6 is about 3450lbs and 330hp

I expect the v6 Camaro to get up and go around 5.2 seconds to 60 and 13.4 quarter times. I think the v6 Camaro is actually going to be a car you can own proudly, unlike the Camaro 5. Especially if it can be purchased nicely equipped for $27,000

I like the front view. I don't know about the side or rear, though. I'm indifferent, I guess.

Interior... I think it is nice provided you like that type of styling. I don't know if I do, but I'm sure it's an improvement over the current gen. :tup:

Can't say I am a big fan of the looks, but then again I wasn't a big fan of the z34 looks when it first came out....

Have to give GM major props for dropping weight and adding power. Nissan are you awake right now? We want a lighter and more powerful z35, 6pot turbo and keeping the same weight would be a good start...... then nissan corporate could just tweak the boost levels over the model year (like they do with the GTR)

At the end of the day... None of the muscle cars are handsome. The mustang is the best looking of the pack now, imho. But the Camaro looks like a man car. The mustang is more of a unisex car.
What counts is muscle... And the Camaro is definitely bulging the most out of the 3 on paper. Lets see how that translates on track. The 1le has been outperformed by the new SS. So I'm dying to see what the all new 1LE will do? Let the games begin.

I thnk the interior of the camaro is sick. blows out the other two imho.

Hmm. That's on par with the Z for less money -- will it really go for under 30K?

GM reveals all-new Camaro - May. 16, 2015

440 HP! Sounds like the Camaro is a Z-killer.
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Definitely, at least a base model with a few options, the 2.0T i believe will get very close estoimated numbers, just power will die off earlier. Expect a lower MSRP.

The Z 35 is going to need thar 2900-3000lb chassis and that 400-420hp to really be a muscle car killer now.... The Camaro is officially on the high side of "Lightweight" for the displacement and power.

sooooooooooo the new Camaro body is just a twin of the mustang?

I see I missed so much while at zdayz lol

My man... I expected the SS to have current 1LE performance. GM is saying they surpassed the 1LE in the SS and you know the Camaro 5 1LE was the muscle car to beat. (That even the new stang still can't beat on track:stirthepot:)

yea I agree with you.

I was hoping for more but it's not bad.

my honest opinion the best look of the new Camaro is the top down view of it. the hood and roof with the flares of the rear end :yum:


the rest ehhhhh.

The more I look at it the more I think I like it. The belt line is a little too high, still, but I bet it would look really good slightly lowered on nicer wheels. I am sure the performance models will be a lot more aggressive.

All in all I like where GM is going with this.

I think I may have to go test drive one of them once they hit dealerships

If i go the Camaro route? Lowered and loud is what im going for!!!!

I'd definitely consider it heavily if I wanted a 2+2, but I'm dead set on another 2 seater.

For the first time in my life... I'll be getting one of each brand spankin new outside of my DD.

Interior designer interview
 

I'll tell ya...I looked hard at the new Corvettes when I was looking to replace my Z last year, but lack of availability and Chevy's stupid pricing games moved me to re-up on a 2014 Z. No regrets. BUT....had a 3000 lb Camaro with 440 hp been available in a similar price range, that may very well have been my car.

I wonder how will the mustang respond to this, will thye bump power by adding DI?? - either way I am liking it and can't wait to see the 6th gen z28 / zl1.

Power bump alone won't do anything. They would likely need to lighten up the chassis and find someone who knows how to tune a shock to put up a fight. Seeing as how the 6th generation GT is slower than the current generation 1LE on track, it will likely get it's *** handed to it by a regular next-gen SS. Ford is probably going to be way behind.

Of course track performance doesn't mean anything on the street, but it's still important for sales and internet bragging rights.

Yup, suspension tuning is everything!!!! up to 0.3 seconds can be gained and better track times on suspension alone. This is where mustang is truly losing. Then not offerin PP on the autos? That wasn't a smart move considering the market. If Camaro offers a moonroof? It will further grab sales unless Mustang follows suit.
This generation is gonna be tough for Mustang to attract New Buyers to the Mustang name without dramatic changes... But Ford has been known to do big things soooo.... ????

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Heh.

I like it more the more I see it, but I'm guessing the V8 is going to be waaaaaaay more than the Z.

The V6 will probably be in the Z35 ballpark. If it's the about same price, it comes down to preference.

GM said the first year pricing will look very similar to current pricing
It is also said that unlike Mustang. Chevy is not limiting the optioning to the Chevy base cars. You will be able to option out a turbo 4, a v6 and v8 the same way.
Chevy also focused on a huge variety of in-house aftermarket to support Chevy this generation. I think they are hoping to make their extra cash in the in-house aftermarket?

I think the 4 and 6 will only be $1000-2000 difference in price

Typically as with Ford, you have to have a dealer install the parts. But I agree, its leaving money on the table if they don't offer some aftermarket parts. But they have to be real careful about emissions and crash tests too. Being a big OEM supplier they have to meet all the federal regs that most tuners and parts manufacturers never pay attention too, as it costs big buck to get CARB and EPA certified.

I'm in the same camp with everyone else. The more I see it the more I like it.

I feel like Ford tried to do too much to cater to both old and new buyer's tastes, whereas Chevy stuck with one theme and came out with a better flow to the design, better proportions, etc. Like UNKNOWN said, it will be interesting to see how they respond in the coming years. They have their work cut out for them as Chevy seems to be several steps ahead.

The interior tech offered also appears to be superior. Just compare the gauge clusters... way more modern than the Mustang.

Definitely want to check one out. I want to buy a C7, but if I needed a 2+2 I think I'd probably end up with a Camaro over a Mustang (pending a test drive, of course.)

its continually growing on me as well.

I want to test drive one regardless of whatever I plan on buying next. just want to see the difference between it and the outgoing boat sized model.

I think, styling wise we were all looking for radical changes... Like somehow, the proportions of the camoflauged mule were supposed to radically change. I guess we were hoping for camo moldings fooling us on the shape.
But when the Mustang came out... I felt disappointed too. It took me a visit to the Dallas auto show to see how nicely crafted the Mustang is... I think the Mustang is leagues nicer looking than the last gen. Street performance doesn't disappoint and quality is there... Theres a couple of cheap plasticky areas to the mustang interior that I'm surprised over considering how high it can get up in price. But when loaded out. You'll notice the bigger ticket items over the plastic.
That said, Mustang interior quality improved in materials but is closer to the revised 2012+ mustang in styling while Camaro went radically different with minor hints to the last gen interior. Lighting and seats seem more aggressive and the Camaro stance looks meaner. While the Camaro grille and the Malibu share some styling hints. It's not plagued with the fusion coupe stigma of theMustang. Those will be some brownie points for the Camaro in terms of sales. The camaro rear seems to need more drama though considering the amount of real estate back there..
That said, it seems how nice the Camaro looks will be strongly color dependent. Not every color looks all that, such as the electric blue Camaro... It's not a great color at least from pictures. I can't say the Mustang has a bad color to it. Every color brilliantly matches the Mustangs lines and curves.

The mustang is nice enough for Mustang die hards to keep choosing it next year. But I think this camaro will hit 6 figure sales first year out.

I'm kind of irritated the Camaro looks so good on paper. I feel like I need to drive one before I buy anything, and I want to spend money now.

agreed. once the local chevy dealer gets their first SS that isn't already sold i'll go get a test drive.

Brightside there will be plenty shipped. shouldn't take long.

Yeah that's pretty annoying. I want to drive a Camaro SS before I buy a C7... just to make sure. :confused:

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I'd be surprised if they're that close -- you get a LOT more power with the V6. No one will buy the turbo 4.

Although looking at current pricing on Edmunds, they already came close to the Z on price and power for the V6, and the V8 was only a few grand more.

Hmm.

I'd be thinking about this myself if they offered a trans-am firebird...

Well, and I also prefer a two-seater.

The mod potential is much greater on the 4. I think the overall reasoning for the turbos in both mustang and camaro is the hopes of gaining 150hp with $3,000 after parts and tune. Being Z drivers we know it's a bitch modding an NA v6. NA V8's have more potential with NA parts. V6 engines don't get far in the mod arena without laying down a dozen grand in aftermarket turbos and engine forging. Young folk want to hear screaming BOV's and aftermarket exhausts on howling 4's. The v6 is for the daily driver who appreciates, fuel econ, camaro style and handling.

I think Chevy intends to sell lots of aftermarket engine parts for the 4 and 8. If you've ever driven an ATS performance pack car? You'll see why the 2.0 is desireable. I prefer it over the 3.6 even though the 3.6 is faster in the Caddy.