2013 Chevy Camaro SS 1LE

b1adesofcha0s

Wonder how much of the difference in lap times can be accounted for by the difference in tire size/model.

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UNKNOWN_370

Not sure but i'm pretty sure the majority of it is the wider range of tuning capability for IRS vs LA suspension and the type of track they were on. Willow is very curvy. IRS will have the advantage.

m4a1mustang

It's much less about IRS and much more about tires and a better shock package on the Camaro.

"Willow is very curvy. IRS will have the advantage."

Explain to me how?

IRS can typically achieve higher mid corner speeds than SRA (hello camber gain and bumpsteer), but solid axles have inherent advantages at corner entry and exit. It is generally very difficult to make an IRS system outperform a solid axle at all three points. The biggest difference between IRS/SRA on track is going to be the unsprung weight disadvantage of the solid axle.

IRS or not, the Camaro has the superior tire and shock package. There's no getting around that.

Oh, and I don't have a solid axle car anymore so don't call me a fanboi.

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You lost me with the fanboi comment.

Your explanation is why i thought the camaro won. The track looked like it was designed where entry and exit was more important than midcorner speeds on this "particular track" It wasn't that it was curvy that gave the camaro the advantage, it was more like the type of curve. I know the mustang has "the advantage on many types of tracks. But Willow just looked like on film like IRS would have an advantage on that track.

I was specific in saying IRS had an advantage on "THAT" track, but you went and jumped the gun thinking I was generalizing. FANBOY REACTION!!!

Oh you're right about the camaro having a better shock and tire set-up and that is the GENERAL advantage on the camaro. Live axle is the general advantage of the mustang being a track car...

Sorry i didn't explain what i mean, when i said it's very curvy, maybe i should have elaborated but... Damn.

m4a1mustang

Ok, now I'm confused.

You said, "Willow is very curvy. IRS will have the advantage."

I took that as, "IRS will have the advantage because Willow is very curvy."

I just wanted to know exactly WHY you feel like IRS would have the advantage on this particular track aside from just a generalization. I pointed out that I didn't think IRS/SRA made much of a difference regardless of track given how both have inherent advantages/disadvantages. I believe it's more tire/shock related than anything else.

Wasn't meant to be a big scene.

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naw sorry man. i didnt mean it like that. I did say that. there's a lot of sharp turns. thats what i should have said. Entry and exit advantage is needed in sharp turns vs mid-corner speeds is needed to enter s-curves better. theres too much play in IRS in the S's vs LA. But in corners its the oposite. The IRS modulates better to get around the corner

But that said, suspension mods for IRS work wonders. So don't sleep on IRS. threw that in since u went fanboy

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Well alright, now I'm not confused. Have a good rest of the day.

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It was a joke. I sold my Mustang last weekend and we have a history of fighting.

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Man i haven't argued with you in forever. If i feel we are going to chronically exchange comments, i just stop writing.