2013 Car and Driver Lightning Lap

Red__Zed · 05-15-2013, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Goes back to what i said in one of the first posts concerning this.

You are not going to get an FR to feel like an MR, Thats why i compare these cars according to what they were designed to do. And rate them in there own category.
v6 vs v8 vs turbo or or v8 depending how far back you wanna go? lol These types of comparo's go nowhere with opinions that walk on a really fine ledge...

I'm not clear what point you are trying to make.

Jungle said:

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Originally Posted by JungleZ

in summary, the Ford Mustang GT 5.0 Costs less,is faster and handles almost as good as an M3 on a track. Take Notes Nissan

You replied:

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

That's like saying the Z handles almost as good as a Porsche. You wipes needa stop contradicting yourselves...

This is what I responded to.

Your reply is completely non-sequiturial, and doesn't line up with what you are claiming to have said above. Can you help me understand what you are trying to convey?

lemon-fresh · 05-15-2013, 11:03 AM

UNKNOWN was simply responding to junglez's trolling. Then you (Red__Zed), never wanting to miss out on a d!ck waving competition jumped into the fray.

lemon-fresh · 05-15-2013, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by 370zrider

Lap time minus straights:

370z: 63.3
mustang gt: 63.3

So, the new mustang GT is not a car that only goes straight?

If it were a two seater with better design, I would consider this option seriously

.

Yup, here's hoping the 2015 refresh moves things in the right direction.

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-15-2013, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

I'm not clear what point you are trying to make.

Jungle said:

You replied:

This is what I responded to.

Your reply is completely non-sequiturial, and doesn't line up with what you are claiming to have said above. Can you help me understand what you are trying to convey?

Your two word response to my response to someone else confused me as well. But since you jumped in. I assumed you're backing up Jungles point. My only original point is that mustangs and Z's are cheaper versions of higher priced precision cars, and both stang and Z relatively do their individual jobs well.

But most here denounce the Z having good performance thats GENERALLY comparable to a Porsche Cayman.
My point is the Mustang is GENERALLY comparable to a BMW M3. To denounce one(Z/Cayman) from one comparo and praise the other in another (M3/Mustang) shows bias.

Let me make clear the word "GENERALLY", DOES NOT mean the Z is a cheap Cayman twin

Both stang and Z are hatchets compared to the swords which are M3 and Porsche Cayman. What I'm saying is simple. You guys are making it complicated.

If you really read your posts against mine. You're arguing a point we agree on but you're coming from a different approach and concocting an argument.

b1adesofcha0s · 05-15-2013, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

I'm not clear what point you are trying to make.

Jungle said:

You replied:

This is what I responded to.

Your reply is completely non-sequiturial, and doesn't line up with what you are claiming to have said above. Can you help me understand what you are trying to convey?

Red__Zed · 05-15-2013, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by lemon-fresh

UNKNOWN was simply responding to junglez's trolling. Then you (Red__Zed), never wanting to miss out on a d!ck waving competition jumped into the fray.

You might want to re-read the previous page to catch up

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-15-2013, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by lemon-fresh

Yup, here's hoping the 2015 REDESIGN moves things in the right direction.

Fixed

b1adesofcha0s · 05-15-2013, 11:10 AM

There's no fun in an argument if all the points made a simple and clear.

Red__Zed · 05-15-2013, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Your two word response to my response to someone else confused me as well. But since you jumped in. I assumed you're backing up Jungles point. My only original point is that mustangs and Z's are cheaper versions of higher priced precision cars, and both stang and Z relatively do their individual jobs well.

But most here denounce the Z having good performance thats GENERALLY comparable to a Porsche Cayman.
My point is the Mustang is GENERALLY comparable to a BMW M3. To denounce one(Z/Cayman) from one comparo and praise the other in another (M3/Mustang) shows bias.

Let me make clear the word "GENERALLY", DOES NOT mean the Z is a cheap Cayman twin

Both stang and Z are hatchets compared to the swords which are M3 and Porsche Cayman. What I'm saying is simple. You guys are making it complicated.

If you really read your posts against mine. You're arguing a point we agree on but you're coming from a different approach and concocting an argument.

To be clear here, the essence of what you said is:

"saying a Mustang handles almost as well as an M3 on a track is like saying a 370z handles almost as good a Porsche"

Which I took issue with, because the handling of the Mustang and M3 are FAR closer than that of the Z and Cayman.

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-15-2013, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

Red so how long you and Blades been dating now? And is Mustang heartbroken???

Red__Zed · 05-15-2013, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Red so how long you and Blades been dating now? And is Mustang heartbroken???

On and off for about a year.

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-15-2013, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

To be clear here, the essence of what you said is:

"saying a Mustang handles almost as well as an M3 on a track is like saying a 370z handles almost as good a Porsche"

Which I took issue with, because the handling of the Mustang and M3 are FAR closer than that of the Z and Cayman.

MR vs FR and FR vs FR. You took issue with what? So you think the mustang rivals an M3 behind the wheel. The mustang gives you an M3 driving experience?

EDIT: Let me add that not even the M3 will have the balance of the Cayman. Not even the 911 has the balance of a Cayman. just saying.

Red__Zed · 05-15-2013, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

MR vs FR and FR vs FR. You took issue with what? So you think the mustang rivals an M3 behind the wheel. The mustang gives you an M3 driving experience?

The Mustang and M3 are closer than the Z and the Cayman. Same thing I've said from the beginning.

In terms of handling, you have the jumbly thing of the 370z or the mustang

Then the M3

Then somewhere off in the distance there is the Cayman.

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-15-2013, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

The Mustang and M3 are closer than the Z and the Cayman. Same thing I've said from the beginning.

In terms of handling, you have the jumbly thing of the 370z or the mustang

Then the M3

Then somewhere off in the distance there is the Cayman.

I agree with that BUT... For an FR, I think the Z does a good job as a 8/10ths Cayman that's half the price.

The mustang might be 9/10th's of a M3 on paper, but behind the wheel. it's still an 8/10ths car that lacks a lot of driver involved feedback.

Red__Zed · 05-15-2013, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

I agree with that BUT... For an FR, I think the Z does a good job as a 8/10ths Cayman that's half the price.

The mustang might be 9/10th's of a M3 on paper, but behind the wheel. it's still an 8/10ths car that lacks a lot of driver involved feedback.

That's fine.

All I took issue with was the thought that the Z and Mustang were equidistant from their respective targets on the handling front.

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lemon-fresh Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Calgary Age: 39 Posts: 471 Drives: 09 370z Rep Power: 13	UNKNOWN was simply responding to junglez's trolling. Then you (Red__Zed), never wanting to miss out on a d!ck waving competition jumped into the fray. Last edited by lemon-fresh; 05-15-2013 at 11:07 AM.

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