2013 Car and Driver Lightning Lap

ZMan8 · 05-14-2013, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I drove Shado's Z06 today. Big mistake. Someone give me $50k.

Red__Zed · 05-14-2013, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I drove Shado's Z06 today. Big mistake. Someone give me $50k.

what did you expect to happen.

m4a1mustang · 05-14-2013, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

what did you expect to happen.

Handie.

b1adesofcha0s · 05-14-2013, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Handie.

That was probably after.

370zrider · 05-15-2013, 12:03 AM

Lap time minus straights:

370z: 63.3
mustang gt: 63.3

So, the new mustang GT is not a car that only goes straight?

If it were a two seater with better design, I would consider this option seriously

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370zrider · 05-15-2013, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by JungleZ

"and the 350-hp V-6’s character turns coarse as it runs to redline. We also wondered whether all 350 ponies showed up."

glad im not the only one who feels that way

my thoughts about it:
- Engine management is too mild, it should be more aggressive like VTECs
- The 370z is too heavy.

m4a1mustang · 05-15-2013, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by 370zrider

Lap time minus straights:

370z: 63.3
mustang gt: 63.3

So, the new mustang GT is not a car that only goes straight?

If it were a two seater with better design, I would consider this option seriously

.

To bad you aren't here at ZDayZ to watch us all hopelessly attempt to keep up with Daisuke in his Boss.

Red__Zed · 05-15-2013, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

To bad you aren't here at ZDayZ to watch us all hopelessly attempt to keep up with Daisuke in his Boss.

That's really not fair. The tail of the dragon is mostly straights.

b1adesofcha0s · 05-15-2013, 08:17 AM

How's the Z06 doing at keeping up with the Boss?

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-15-2013, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I drove Shado's Z06 today. Big mistake. Someone give me $50k.

I dont get how you didn't drive a Z06 or all considered cars BEFORE going to the Dealership and picking up another Z???

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-15-2013, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by JungleZ

in summary, the Ford Mustang GT 5.0 Costs less,is faster and handles almost as good as an M3 on a track. Take Notes Nissan

That's like saying the Z handles almost as good as a Porsche. You wipes needa stop contradicting yourselves...

Red__Zed · 05-15-2013, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

That's like saying the Z handles almost as good as a Porsche. You wipes needa stop contradicting yourselves...

Not even.

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-15-2013, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Not even.

Yeah even, The M3 and stang get close in times around the track as did the porsche cayman s and 370z when R&T raced them. Remember, the porsche and Z alone on a track had a tighter race than them lumped up with other cars in the lightning lap.

Same thing happened with the stang and M3 when they raced alone. But getting close lap times doesn't make 2 cars close to each other. It's still the sword vs the hatchet comparo.

But there will be always that "fanboyish" exception to the rule that can ONLY be found on the self loathing Z forum.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-revi...rsche-cayman-s

"So did the Cayman S win this battle? According to our ratings and test numbers, it sent the 370Z back home. But is the Cayman S worth nearly twice the price of a 370Z? Based purely on performance, no. The lap times are pretty close and the handling and acceleration numbers relatively comparable. If you had to pinch pennies to afford one of these cars, the Z makes by far more sense. But if you're well-off, and put an intangible value on overall refinement, powerplant/chassis harmony and an illustrious motorsports legacy, well, the choice is easy"

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...n/viewall.html

A Mustang is a Mustang. Always has been, always will be, no matter how close it comes to knocking off one of the world's finest sports cars. Even if it had fully scalped the Bavarian, that wouldn't change the fundamental ethos of a legend 46 years in the making: fast, fun, and within reach of everyman. It's not America's M3. It's America's Mustang.

At the end of the day,mustang and Z are both going after more expensive cars that they can perform close to but cant be compared to in the experience of driving them.

Red__Zed · 05-15-2013, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Yeah even, The M3 and stang ge close in times around the track as did the porsche cayman s and 370z when R&T raced them. Remember, thoe porsche and Z alone on a track had a tighter race than them lumped up with other cars in the lightning lap.

Same thing happened with the stang and M3. But getting close lap times doesn't make 2 cars close to each other. It's still the sword vs the hatchet comparo.

If you've ever driven the cars in question, it's quite obvious that the Mustang and 370Z are much closer than the 370Z and the Cayman S--which should come as no surprise to anyone who understands physics.

The Mustang and the Z share handling dynamics far more closely than most here would like to admit. If anything, the Z brings with it more of the slow-me-down push than the Mustang does.

There's a lot of give-and-take between the Mustang & Z in terms of handling (SRA issus vs toe-steer, weight vs balance) that makes the evaluation somewhat subjective. If you prefer a car that rotates easily, the Mustang will likely be your preference, as long as you don't mind a little extra weight. On the other hand, if you'd like something smaller and lower-slung, the Z is a no-brainer, as long as you don't mind pushing a bit more in the turns (or running 305s up front).

As compared to the Cayman S, there's really no give and take--the only thing the Z has on the Cayman is straight-line power(and cost!). The brilliant and precise chassis in the Z pales in comparison to that of the Cayman. The engine placement and balance puts the Z (and frankly, most other cars) to shame.

The gap between the Z and S is far bigger than the Z and Stang...as you might expect given the price. The M3, 370Z, and Mustang all share a pretty similar handling mentality (lot of power and a lot of weight on the front axle).

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-15-2013, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

If you've ever driven the cars in question, it's quite obvious that the Mustang and 370Z are much closer than the 370Z and the Cayman S--which should come as no surprise to anyone who understands physics.

The Mustang and the Z share handling dynamics far more closely than most here would like to admit. If anything, the Z brings with it more of the slow-me-down push than the Mustang does.

There's a lot of give-and-take between the Mustang & Z in terms of handling (SRA issus vs toe-steer, weight vs balance) that makes the evaluation somewhat subjective. If you prefer a car that rotates easily, the Mustang will likely be your preference, as long as you don't mind a little extra weight. On the other hand, if you'd like something smaller and lower-slung, the Z is a no-brainer, as long as you don't mind pushing a bit more in the turns (or running 305s up front).

As compared to the Cayman S, there's really no give and take--the only thing the Z has on the Cayman is straight-line power(and cost!). The brilliant and precise chassis in the Z pales in comparison to that of the Cayman. The engine placement and balance puts the Z (and frankly, most other cars) to shame.

The gap between the Z and S is far bigger than the Z and Stang...as you might expect given the price.[COLOR="rgb(154, 205, 50)"] The M3, 370Z, and Mustang all share a pretty similar handling mentality (lot of power and a lot of weight on the front axle[/COLOR]).

I wasnt comparing the Z to the mustang in terms of performance. I was talking about their philosophies with more expensive competitors As usual. It ends up that way 2 key components of the mustang i dont like. Steering is extremely numb by comparison, cornering not as flat. Thats enough for me to prefer the z. I'm down on power,yes. But if power was that important to me? I would have bought a vette GS at least.

Goes back to what i said in one of the first posts concerning this.

You are not going to get an FR to feel like an MR, Thats why i compare these cars according to what they were designed to do. And rate them in there own category.
v6 vs v8 vs turbo v6 or v8 depending how far back you wanna go? lol These types of comparo's go nowhere with opinions that walk on a really fine ledge...

05-15-2013, 12:03 AM	#185 (permalink)
370zrider Base Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Mexico Posts: 106 Drives: 370zM6tour12nosport Rep Power: 12	Lap time minus straights: 370z: 63.3 mustang gt: 63.3 So, the new mustang GT is not a car that only goes straight? If it were a two seater with better design, I would consider this option seriously . b1adesofcha0s likes this. __________________ Stillen [gen3 CAI + headers + HFC + Exhaust + UD Pulley + lightweight flywheel] + Uprev e-tune+ PC680 Odyssey battery + oil cooler + MishimotoThermostat = 312whp + 252wtq @1,500mts or 5,000ft elevation

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