2013 Car and Driver Lightning Lap

b1adesofcha0s · 05-14-2013, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Handie.

That was probably after.

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-15-2013, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I drove Shado's Z06 today. Big mistake. Someone give me $50k.

I dont get how you didn't drive a Z06 or all considered cars BEFORE going to the Dealership and picking up another Z???

370zrider · 05-15-2013, 12:03 AM

Lap time minus straights:

370z: 63.3
mustang gt: 63.3

So, the new mustang GT is not a car that only goes straight?

If it were a two seater with better design, I would consider this option seriously

.

m4a1mustang · 05-15-2013, 06:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 370zrider

Lap time minus straights:

370z: 63.3
mustang gt: 63.3

So, the new mustang GT is not a car that only goes straight?

If it were a two seater with better design, I would consider this option seriously

.

To bad you aren't here at ZDayZ to watch us all hopelessly attempt to keep up with Daisuke in his Boss.

Red__Zed · 05-15-2013, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

To bad you aren't here at ZDayZ to watch us all hopelessly attempt to keep up with Daisuke in his Boss.

That's really not fair. The tail of the dragon is mostly straights.

lemon-fresh · 05-15-2013, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 370zrider

Lap time minus straights:

370z: 63.3
mustang gt: 63.3

So, the new mustang GT is not a car that only goes straight?

If it were a two seater with better design, I would consider this option seriously

.

Yup, here's hoping the 2015 refresh moves things in the right direction.

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-15-2013, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by lemon-fresh

Yup, here's hoping the 2015 REDESIGN moves things in the right direction.

Fixed

b1adesofcha0s · 05-15-2013, 08:17 AM

How's the Z06 doing at keeping up with the Boss?

b1adesofcha0s · 05-15-2013, 11:10 AM

There's no fun in an argument if all the points made a simple and clear.

JungleZ · 05-15-2013, 12:51 PM

I think all points have been covered.. The real question is Nissan wanting to be a track ready lightweight RWD BRZ type car or just stick another VQ engine in a sport car and call it a day.

isnt anyone sick of the VQ engine in pathfinders,xterras,frontiers being used in every other platform.

ZMan8 · 05-15-2013, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JungleZ

I think all points have been covered.. The real question is Nissan wanting to be a track ready lightweight RWD BRZ type car or just stick another VQ engine in a sport car and call it a day.

isnt anyone sick of the VQ engine in pathfinders,xterras,frontiers being used in every other platform.

Based on some recent news it sounds like the v-6 is here to stay. They will most likely add direct injection and use more aluminum to lower the weight. Nissan should not chase BRZ sales with the Z. If they want to compete with the BRZ, then make either a Z mini (with a turbo 4) or introduce a whole new car.

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-15-2013, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ZMan8

Based on some recent news it sounds like the v-6 is here to stay. They will most likely add direct injection and use more aluminum to lower the weight. Nissan should not chase BRZ sales with the Z. If they want to compete with the BRZ, then make either a Z mini (with a turbo 4) or introduce a whole new car.

Rumor is multiple engines like the Q50. Expect a third engine introduced with the Q60. I think the Z will have 2 of those 3 engines. VQ hybrid and turbo engines.

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-15-2013, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JungleZ

I think all points have been covered.. The real question is Nissan wanting to be a track ready lightweight RWD BRZ type car or just stick another VQ engine in a sport car and call it a day.

isnt anyone sick of the VQ engine in pathfinders,xterras,frontiers being used in every other platform.

Not really. Not from a general standpoint. In all those other vehicles mentioned. They are tuned for duty. They pull out excellent power that rivals v8 cars with reduced weight and give better feedback and power delivery than the impalas and malibu's of the world.
In the sports car the VQ is still an excellent platform. VVEL is what makes the 37 so course. I'm sure the Q50 is going to show a re-tuned VVEL that runs much smoother.

The Next gen Z will most likely have two or 3 engines. I'm banking on two. The 3.7 hybrid and a 3.0ltr turbo. I think the Hybrid will prove as a GT version of the Z and the 3.0 T a turbo version the sport/tuner car. I think if nissan goes that route, they will appease a much broader market. I wouldn't be surprised if the next designation is ZX for the hybrid. Then with a lower cost FWD/AWD BRZ price competitor it will do well too. As a whole. The VQ is still the king of V6's. There really isn't a better v6 engine period. Unless you go into H.O.6's which arent v6. What NA v6 does a better job? If it ain't broke...

The problem with people like you is...

1. You read too many car mags.
2. You don't even know how to drive these cars to the limit unless it's in a straight line.
3. You never researched what Nissan was trying to achieve with the Z34 in the first place, before purchase. So you bought this car under pretenses that make no sense. Nissan didnt make a bad car. You made a bad decision. And that decision is not based on your own opinion. It's based on reading other peoples opinions. You repeat a lot and think people don't see through that shyt... If you really own a Z? Which i question lately? You drive it to work and back bruh...

Anyway...

Your 2013 purchase was summed up by an article you read in Sept 2009 Car an driver,an unreliable source. Your demise was getting in cahoots with a bunch of forum self loathers and reading every Z review AFTER you bought the car which inspired POST-MEDIA buyers remorse. It's an american epidemic called trying to please the status quo by being a drone vs having your own opinion.

You don't understand what the Z is and your complaints are all extremely vague.

You're being agreed with for saying theNismo z is harsh. 2 or 3 independent ENTHUSIAST mags didn't think the Z was harsh enough to complain about extensively. I prefer independents over guys who get kickbacks for positive reviews on some or many cars. Every major CORPORATE SPONSORED mag did though. And to your typical cliche, so are you. You're complaining about the harshness in a Nismo, that YOU DO NOT own. And if you were smart? If harshness was a SERIOUS complaint. The auto is 30% less harsh than the manual. The tranny aids in the manual Z's harshness. I don't even know how you bought the Z.

Because even on the test drive. Letting the car rev in first and second. It's like damn, what was that? The sound catchesvyou off guard at first. But as the car breaks in some of that couseness starts subsiding somewhat. It's still course but tolerable.

This is why i don't credit anything you say. The courseness you complain about is their from the first time you step on the gas. Unless you drive the auto, in auto mode. Cuz throw it in manual mode and there's the courseness again. Yet you bought the car and now you whine endlessly...

Chuck33079 · 05-15-2013, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Not really. Not from a general standpoint. In all those other vehicles mentioned. They are tuned for duty. They pull out excellent power that rivals v8 cars with reduced weight and give better feedback and power delivery than the impalas and malibu's of the world.
In the sports car the VQ is still an excellent platform. VVEL is what makes the 37 so course. I'm sure the Q50 is going to show a re-tuned VVEL that runs much smoother.

The Next gen Z will most likely have two or 3 engines. I'm banking on two. The 3.7 hybrid and a 3.0ltr turbo. I think the Hybrid will prove as a GT version of the Z and the 3.0 T a turbo version the sport/tuner car. I think if nissan goes that route, they will appease a much broader market. I wouldn't be surprised if the next designation is ZX for the hybrid. Then with a lower cost FWD/AWD BRZ price competitor it will do well too. As a whole. The VQ is still the king of V6's. There really isn't a better v6 engine period. Unless you go into H.O.6's which arent v6. What NA v6 does a better job? If it ain't broke...

The problem with people like you is...

1. You read too many car mags.
2. You don't even know how to drive these cars to the limit unless it's in a straight line.
3. You never researched what Nissan was trying to achieve with the Z34 in the first place, before purchase. So you bought this car under pretenses that make no sense. Nissan didnt make a bad car. You made a bad decision. And that decision is not based on your own opinion. It's based on reading other peoples opinions. You repeat a lot and think people don't see through that shyt... If you really own a Z? Which i question lately? You drive it to work and back bruh...

Anyway...

Your 2013 purchase was summed up by an article you read in Sept 2009 Car an driver,an unreliable source. Your demise was getting in cahoots with a bunch of forum self loathers and reading every Z review AFTER you bought the car which inspired POST-MEDIA buyers remorse. It's an american epidemic called trying to please the status quo by being a drone vs having your own opinion.

You don't understand what the Z is and your complaints are all extremely vague.

You're being agreed with for saying theNismo z is harsh. 2 or 3 independent ENTHUSIAST mags didn't think the Z was harsh enough to complain about extensively. I prefer independents over guys who get kickbacks for positive reviews on some or many cars. Every major CORPORATE SPONSORED mag did though. And to your typical cliche, so are you. You're complaining about the harshness in a Nismo, that YOU DO NOT own. And if you were smart? If harshness was a SERIOUS complaint. The auto is 30% less harsh than the manual. The tranny aids in the manual Z's harshness. I don't even know how you bought the Z.

Because even on the test drive. Letting the car rev in first and second. It's like damn, what was that? The sound catchesvyou off guard at first. But as the car breaks in some of that couseness starts subsiding somewhat. It's still course but tolerable.

This is why i don't credit anything you say. The courseness you complain about is their from the first time you step on the gas. Unless you drive the auto, in auto mode. Cuz throw it in manual mode and there's the courseness again. Yet you bought the car and now you whine endlessly...

Preach, brother. A-*******-men.

JungleZ · 05-15-2013, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Not really. Not from a general standpoint. In all those other vehicles mentioned. They are tuned for duty. They pull out excellent power that rivals v8 cars with reduced weight and give better feedback and power delivery than the impalas and malibu's of the world.
In the sports car the VQ is still an excellent platform. VVEL is what makes the 37 so course. I'm sure the Q50 is going to show a re-tuned VVEL that runs much smoother.

The Next gen Z will most likely have two or 3 engines. I'm banking on two. The 3.7 hybrid and a 3.0ltr turbo. I think the Hybrid will prove as a GT version of the Z and the 3.0 T a turbo version the sport/tuner car. I think if nissan goes that route, they will appease a much broader market. I wouldn't be surprised if the next designation is ZX for the hybrid. Then with a lower cost FWD/AWD BRZ price competitor it will do well too. As a whole. The VQ is still the king of V6's. There really isn't a better v6 engine period. Unless you go into H.O.6's which arent v6. What NA v6 does a better job? If it ain't broke...

The problem with people like you is...

1. You read too many car mags.
2. You don't even know how to drive these cars to the limit unless it's in a straight line.
3. You never researched what Nissan was trying to achieve with the Z34 in the first place, before purchase. So you bought this car under pretenses that make no sense. Nissan didnt make a bad car. You made a bad decision. And that decision is not based on your own opinion. It's based on reading other peoples opinions. You repeat a lot and think people don't see through that shyt... If you really own a Z? Which i question lately? You drive it to work and back bruh...

Anyway...

Your 2013 purchase was summed up by an article you read in Sept 2009 Car an driver,an unreliable source. Your demise was getting in cahoots with a bunch of forum self loathers and reading every Z review AFTER you bought the car which inspired POST-MEDIA buyers remorse. It's an american epidemic called trying to please the status quo by being a drone vs having your own opinion.

You don't understand what the Z is and your complaints are all extremely vague.

You're being agreed with for saying theNismo z is harsh. 2 or 3 independent ENTHUSIAST mags didn't think the Z was harsh enough to complain about extensively. I prefer independents over guys who get kickbacks for positive reviews on some or many cars. Every major CORPORATE SPONSORED mag did though. And to your typical cliche, so are you. You're complaining about the harshness in a Nismo, that YOU DO NOT own. And if you were smart? If harshness was a SERIOUS complaint. The auto is 30% less harsh than the manual. The tranny aids in the manual Z's harshness. I don't even know how you bought the Z.

Because even on the test drive. Letting the car rev in first and second. It's like damn, what was that? The sound catchesvyou off guard at first. But as the car breaks in some of that couseness starts subsiding somewhat. It's still course but tolerable.

This is why i don't credit anything you say. The courseness you complain about is their from the first time you step on the gas. Unless you drive the auto, in auto mode. Cuz throw it in manual mode and there's the courseness again. Yet you bought the car and now you whine endlessly...

Toyota GT86 / Scion FR-S v Nissan 370Z v Used Porsche Cayman S - CHRIS HARRIS ON CARS - YouTube, pretty much most people who drive the Z for the first time feel the same way.

and thats funny you dont even believe i have a Z. Ya i really would lie about a lousy base model.

05-15-2013, 12:03 AM	#3 (permalink)
370zrider Base Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Mexico Posts: 106 Drives: 370zM6tour12nosport Rep Power: 14	Lap time minus straights: 370z: 63.3 mustang gt: 63.3 So, the new mustang GT is not a car that only goes straight? If it were a two seater with better design, I would consider this option seriously . b1adesofcha0s likes this. __________________ Stillen [gen3 CAI + headers + HFC + Exhaust + UD Pulley + lightweight flywheel] + Uprev e-tune+ PC680 Odyssey battery + oil cooler + MishimotoThermostat = 312whp + 252wtq @1,500mts or 5,000ft elevation

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JungleZ Banned Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: orange county,ca Posts: 652 Drives: leased base z... Rep Power: 0	I think all points have been covered.. The real question is Nissan wanting to be a track ready lightweight RWD BRZ type car or just stick another VQ engine in a sport car and call it a day. isnt anyone sick of the VQ engine in pathfinders,xterras,frontiers being used in every other platform.